Monday, 28 September 2015

Pope Benedict XVI on the Chronology of Apocalyptic Events



The Church, the Bride of Christ and Mother of the Faithful in Baptism. Illustration to Scivias II.3, fol. 51r from the 20th-century facsimile of the Rupertsberg manuscript, c. 1165-1180

Just recently, it has occurred to me that there is a need to distinguish between two separate periods of apostasy at the end time which is foretold in both Scripture and in Church approved private revelations, if we are to better understand our current situation within the chronology of apocalyptic events. As EWTN expert Colin Donovan points out:

"Approved Catholic mystics (Venerables, Blessed and Saints, approved apparitions) throw considerable light on this order, by prophesying a minor apostasy and tribulation toward the end of the world, after which will occur the reunion of Christians. Only later will the entire world fall away from Christ (the great apostasy) and the personal Antichrist arise and the Tribulation of the End occur." (See here)

The Great Apostasy which takes place during the reign of the Antichrist cannot take place until the restoration of the Church has taken place during the ministry of the Two Witnesses. But there is another period found in both Scripture and private prophecy which concerns a separate falling away from the faith which takes place before the restoration of the Church during the proclamation of the Gospel to the ends of the earth - a "minor apostasy". This is the most spiritually dangerous period in human history outside the Great Apostasy itself. 
Throughout the course of his pontificate, Pope Benedict XVI has frequently tipped his hand to show that he believes that there is sufficient evidence to suggest that we are living during this minor apostasy mentioned in prophecy, which takes place immediately before the restoration of the Church. Benedict XVI has previously suggested that the period of the restoration of the Church which takes place after the minor apostasy may be be connected in some way to the year 2017: 

"May the seven years which separate us from the centenary of the apparitions hasten the fulfilment of the prophecy of the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, to the glory of the Most Holy Trinity". (Homily of His Holiness Benedict XVI, Esplanade of the Shrine of Our Lady of Fátima Thursday, 13 May 2010

Benedict XVI has shared some other of his insights concerning the present plight of the Church by linking the recent paedophile scandal and the current falling away from the faith to the prophecies of St. Hildegard of Bingen, wherein the sibyl of the Rhine saw a vision of the Church as a woman clothed in soiled garments representing the "filth" within the Church:

"Excita, Domine, potentiam tuam, et veni. Repeatedly during the season of Advent the Church’s liturgy prays in these or similar words. They are invocations that were probably formulated as the Roman Empire was in decline. The disintegration of the key principles of law and of the fundamental moral attitudes underpinning them burst open the dams which until that time had protected peaceful coexistence among peoples. The sun was setting over an entire world. Frequent natural disasters further increased this sense of insecurity. There was no power in sight that could put a stop to this decline. All the more insistent, then, was the invocation of the power of God: the plea that he might come and protect his people from all these threats.
Excita, Domine, potentiam tuam, et veni. Today too, we have many reasons to associate ourselves with this Advent prayer of the Church. For all its new hopes and possibilities, our world is at the same time troubled by the sense that moral consensus is collapsing, consensus without which juridical and political structures cannot function. Consequently the forces mobilized for the defence of such structures seem doomed to failure.
Excita – the prayer recalls the cry addressed to the Lord who was sleeping in the disciples’ storm-tossed boat as it was close to sinking. When his powerful word had calmed the storm, he rebuked the disciples for their little faith (cf. Mt 8:26 et par.). He wanted to say: it was your faith that was sleeping. He will say the same thing to us. Our faith too is often asleep. Let us ask him, then, to wake us from the sleep of a faith grown tired, and to restore to that faith the power to move mountains – that is, to order justly the affairs of the world.
Excita, Domine, potentiam tuam, et veni: amid the great tribulations to which we have been exposed during the past year, this Advent prayer has frequently been in my mind and on my lips. We had begun the Year for Priests with great joy and, thank God, we were also able to conclude it with great gratitude, despite the fact that it unfolded so differently from the way we had expected. Among us priests and among the lay faithful, especially the young, there was a renewed awareness of what a great gift the Lord has entrusted to us in the priesthood of the Catholic Church. We realized afresh how beautiful it is that human beings are fully authorized to pronounce in God’s name the word of forgiveness, and are thus able to change the world, to change life; we realized how beautiful it is that human beings may utter the words of consecration, through which the Lord draws a part of the world into himself, and so transforms it at one point in its very substance; we realized how beautiful it is to be able, with the Lord’s strength, to be close to people in their joys and sufferings, in the important moments of their lives and in their dark times; how beautiful it is to have as one’s life task not this or that, but simply human life itself – helping people to open themselves to God and to live from God. We were all the more dismayed, then, when in this year of all years and to a degree we could not have imagined, we came to know of abuse of minors committed by priests who twist the sacrament into its antithesis, and under the mantle of the sacred profoundly wound human persons in their childhood, damaging them for a whole lifetime.
In this context, a vision of Saint Hildegard of Bingen came to my mind, a vision which describes in a shocking way what we have lived through this past year. “In the year of our Lord’s incarnation 1170, I had been lying on my sick-bed for a long time when, fully conscious in body and in mind, I had a vision of a woman of such beauty that the human mind is unable to comprehend. She stretched in height from earth to heaven. Her face shone with exceeding brightness and her gaze was fixed on heaven. She was dressed in a dazzling robe of white silk and draped in a cloak, adorned with stones of great price. On her feet she wore shoes of onyx. But her face was stained with dust, her robe was ripped down the right side, her cloak had lost its sheen of beauty and her shoes had been blackened. And she herself, in a voice loud with sorrow, was calling to the heights of heaven, saying, ‘Hear, heaven, how my face is sullied; mourn, earth, that my robe is torn; tremble, abyss, because my shoes are blackened!’
And she continued: ‘I lay hidden in the heart of the Father until the Son of Man, who was conceived and born in virginity, poured out his blood. With that same blood as his dowry, he made me his betrothed.
For my Bridegroom’s wounds remain fresh and open as long as the wounds of men’s sins continue to gape. And Christ’s wounds remain open because of the sins of priests. They tear my robe, since they are violators of the Law, the Gospel and their own priesthood; they darken my cloak by neglecting, in every way, the precepts which they are meant to uphold; my shoes too are blackened, since priests do not keep to the straight paths of justice, which are hard and rugged, or set good examples to those beneath them. Nevertheless, in some of them I find the splendour of truth.’
And I heard a voice from heaven which said: ‘This image represents the Church. For this reason, O you who see all this and who listen to the word of lament, proclaim it to the priests who are destined to offer guidance and instruction to God’s people and to whom, as to the apostles, it was said: go into all the world and preach the Gospel to the whole creation’ (Mk 16:15)” (Letter to Werner von Kirchheim and his Priestly Community: PL 197, 269ff.).
In the vision of Saint Hildegard, the face of the Church is stained with dust, and this is how we have seen it. Her garment is torn – by the sins of priests. The way she saw and expressed it is the way we have experienced it this year. We must accept this humiliation as an exhortation to truth and a call to renewal. Only the truth saves. We must ask ourselves what we can do to repair as much as possible the injustice that has occurred. We must ask ourselves what was wrong in our proclamation, in our whole way of living the Christian life, to allow such a thing to happen. We must discover a new resoluteness in faith and in doing good. We must be capable of doing penance. We must be determined to make every possible effort in priestly formation to prevent anything of the kind from happening again. This is also the moment to offer heartfelt thanks to all those who work to help victims and to restore their trust in the Church, their capacity to believe her message. In my meetings with victims of this sin, I have also always found people who, with great dedication, stand alongside those who suffer and have been damaged. This is also the occasion to thank the many good priests who act as channels of the Lord’s goodness in humility and fidelity and, amid the devastations, bear witness to the unforfeited beauty of the priesthood."
http://w2.vatican.va/…/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20101220_curia-auguri…

Now notice the similarities here between the words of the Holy Father and those of Sr. Lucia during her interview with Fr. Fuentes:

Sister Lucy also told me: "Father, the devil is in the mood for engaging in a decisive battle against the Blessed Virgin. And the devil knows what it is that offends God the most, and which in a short space of time will gain for him the greatest number of souls. Thus the devil does everything to overcome souls consecrated to God, because in this way the devil will succeed in leaving the souls of the faithful abandoned by their leaders, thereby the more easily will he seize them."
"That which afflicts the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the Heart of Jesus is the fall of religious and priestly souls. The devil knows that religious and priests who fall away from their beautiful vocation drag numerous souls to hell. The devil wishes to take possession of consecrated souls. He tries to corrupt them in order to lull to sleep the souls of laypeople and thereby lead them to final impenitence. He employs all tricks, even going so far as to suggest the delay of entrance into religious life. Resulting from this is the sterility of the interior life, and among the laypeople, coldness (lack of enthusiasm) regarding the subject of renouncing pleasures and the total dedication of themselves to God."

A connection between these words of Sr. Lucia and St. Hildegard's vision of "filth" within the Church clearly seems to have been on Pope Benedict's mind here, since he uses basically the same themes and symbolism during his visit to Fatima in 2010:

"As for the new things which we can find in this message today, there is also the fact that attacks on the Pope and the Church come not only from without, but the sufferings of the Church come precisely from within the Church, from the sin existing within the Church. This too is something that we have always known, but today we are seeing it in a really terrifying way: that the greatest persecution of the Church comes not from her enemies without, but arises from sin within the Church, and that the Church thus has a deep need to relearn penance, to accept purification, to learn forgiveness on the one hand, but also the need for justice."

Cardinal Ratzinger again alluded to St. Hildegard's writings describing the current state of the Church as a woman whose garments are soiled in his famous Way of the Cross sermon in 2005, just before he ascended the papacy:

"Should we not also think of how much Christ suffers in his own Church? How often is the holy sacrament of His Presence abused, how often must he enter empty and evil hearts! How often do we celebrate only ourselves, without even realizing that he is there! How often is his Word twisted and misused! What little faith is present behind so many theories, so many empty words!
How much filth there is in the Church, and even among those who, in the Priesthood, ought to belong entirely to him! How much pride, how much self-complacency!"
"Lord, your Church often seems like a boat about to sink, a boat taking in water on every side. In your field we see more weeds than wheat. The soiled garments and face of your Church throw us into confusion. Yet it is we ourselves who have soiled them! It is we who betray you time and time again, after all our lofty words and grand gestures. Have mercy on your Church... You stood up, you arose and you can also raise us up. Save and sanctify your Church. Save and sanctify us all."

It is also apparent here that the Holy Father links our current situation with Christ's calming of the storm, and that he views this event as "acted prophecy", since he later developed this strand of thought in his speech given in 2010 cited above. So for Benedict, the barque of St. Peter is currently enduring the storm before the great calm, which itself is alluded to in St. John Bosco's dream of the two pillars.
Now the upshot of all this is the fact that St. Hildegard very clearly foretold that the restoration of the Church would take place after the period of desolation associated with the minor apostasy, when the soiled garments of the woman would be washed clean in the blood of Christ:

"I saw that Trier at first was adorned among the faithful with the new fire that appeared to the disciples in tongues of fire, so that in its golden faith all its streets were spread with miracles. But now it is hedged in by unstable, squalid morals and with weariness as if it did not know God, and it has been polluted with many other evils. It has been worn out with weariness and no longer enjoys the joy and beauty of its original, honorable institutions. It has become heedless of its many sins. Therefore, fiery vengeance will come upon it from enemies, unless those sins are wiped out by penitence, as happened in the case of Jonah.
Now, the law is neglected by spiritual people, who disdain to teach and do good works. Both the teachers and the prelates are asleep: they have abandoned justice. Therefore, I heard this voice from heaven, saying: O daughter of Sion, your crown will fall from your head, your cloak of increasing riches will shrink, your numbers will be forcibly reduced, and you will be banished from one place to another. Many cities and monasteries will be wrenched away by powerful individuals, and princes will say, “Let us take away from them that iniquity which, through them, is overwhelming the whole world.” And I saw and heard that all these dangers and griefs will befall regions and monasteries because they have turned aside from obedience and other precepts of the law. And I saw that even amidst sins of this kind there are some who will cling to God and will sigh unto Him, just as in the time of Elijah...
Afterward, the justice and judgment of God will arise, and the people will know the discipline and fear of God. There will also be good and just individuals among the spiritual people, who, nevertheless, will remain few in numbers because of their humility, but who, like the hermits, will turn back to the first dawn. And they will do this out of fear for times past that, they will understand, had been pernicious to them....
Then, courageous men will arise and prophesy, and they will gather together all things old and new from the Scriptures and all that has been uttered through the Holy Spirit, and they will adorn their understanding of these things as if with a necklace set with precious jewels. Through their influence and that of other wise people, many of the laity will become virtuous and will live saintly lives.
(Epistolarium II, CCCM 91)
Yet in these days, the Emperors of the Roman office shall fall from the strength by which they once vigorously held the Roman Empire, and they shall become weak in their own glory, so that the imperial power entrusted to their hands for a time by divine judgment shall decrease and fail. For they shall be morally filthy and lukewarm and servile and repulsive, and useless in all things. Though they wish to be honored by the people, they shall not seek the people’s prosperity; and so none will be able to honor or revere them. Wherefore the kings and princes of many peoples, who were at one time subject to the Roman Empire, shall remove themselves from it and suffer no longer to be subject to it. And so the Roman imperial power shall be scattered in weakness. For each nation and every people shall establish then their own king to obey, saying that the spread of Roman imperial power had become more of a burden to them than an honor. But after the imperial scepter has been broken up in this way and is unable to be repaired, then also the mitre of the apostolic office [i.e. the papacy] shall be broken. For because neither princes nor any other men of either the spiritual or the secular order shall then find any good religion in the apostolic title, the dignity of that title shall diminish. They shall prefer other masters and archbishops under other titles and in other areas, so that after it has been diminished by the adjournment of its original dignity, the apostolic see shall in that time maintain only Rome and a few nearby places that still lie under its mitre. These things, moreover, shall come to pass in part because of invasions and warfare; and in part they shall be perfected by the common counsel and consensus of both the spiritual and the secular peoples. These shall declare that each prince ought to defend his kingdom and rule his people, and that each archbishop or other spiritual master ought to constrain those under his supervision to uprightness of discipline, lest they be afflicted thereafter by those evils they had suffered previously by the divine will...
In those days many also shall prophesy and many more shall be wise, so that the secrets of the prophets and the mysteries of the other scriptures in their fullness shall lie open to the wise. Their sons and daughters shall prophesy, just as was foretold many ages before…. They shall also prophesy in the same spirit by which the prophets of old announced the mysteries of God, and in the likeness of the apostles’ teaching, which excelled all human understanding.
(Liber Divinorum Operum III.10.25-26)

Behold, the feet of the aforementioned female image appeared to be white, giving out a brightness above that of the sun. I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: "Even though all things on earth are tending toward their end, so hardships and calamities is bowed down to its End, nevertheless, the Spouse of my Son, though much weakened in her children, will never be destroyed either by the heralds of the Son of Perdition or by the Destroyer himself, however much she will be attacked by them. At the End of time she will arise more powerful and more secure; she will appear more beautiful and shining so that she may go forth in this way more sweetly and more agreeably to the embraces of her Beloved. The vision which you saw signifies all this in mystic fashion."
(Scivias 3:11; Translated by B McGinn, Visions of the End, pp101-102)

The first vision of St. Hildegard referenced above concerning the woman's soiled garments contains many similarities with the cleansing of the soiled garments of the High Priest Joshua in Zech 3, who as well as being a prototype for one of the Two Witnesses, also prefigures the role of the Pope as Pontifex Maximus:

Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to accuse him. And the LORD said to Satan, “The LORD rebuke you, O Satan! The LORD who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is not this a brand plucked from the fire?” Now Joshua was standing before the angel, clothed with filthy garments. And the angel said to those who were standing before him, “Remove the filthy garments from him.” And to him he said, “Behold, I have taken your iniquity away from you, and I will clothe you with pure vestments.” And I said, “Let them put a clean turban on his head.” So they put a clean turban on his head and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the LORD was standing by.
And the angel of the LORD solemnly assured Joshua, “Thus says the LORD of hosts: If you will walk in my ways and keep my charge, then you shall rule my house and have charge of my courts, and I will give you the right of access among those who are standing here. Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who sit before you, for they are men who are a sign: behold, I will bring my servant the Branch. For behold, on the stone that I have set before Joshua, on a single stone with seven eyes, I will engrave its inscription, declares the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of this land in a single day. In that day, declares the LORD of hosts, every one of you will invite his neighbor to come under his vine and under his fig tree.”
(Zech 3)

It seems that the reason the vision of Satan's 100 years of greater power foreseen by Pope Leo XIII was given to the Holy Father himself was in order to allude to this particular verse in the Bible, when Joshua the High Priest stands accused by Satan, much like the prophet Job. At the end of this time period, the Bride of Christ will be allowed to adorn herself with fine linen to prepare the marriage supper of the Lamb:

Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready; it was granted her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure”— for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.
(Rev 19:7-8)

Even though it is only after this final restoration of the Church that the Antichrist will finally appear, there is quite clearly a separate period of a minor apostasy which takes place before this restoration. This order of events, which corresponds directly with our current situation, can also be found in the Church approved version of the prophecies of La Salette published in 2002:

After all these calamities have arrived, many will recognize the hand of God on them. They will convert, and do penance for their sins. A great king will go up on the throne, and will reign many years. Religion will re-flourish and spread all over the world, and there will be a great abundance. The world, glad to be lacking nothing, will fall again into disorder, will give up God, and will return to its criminal passions. 
(Melanie's Secret)


The Apocalypse similarly mentions a time period in which the Woman Adorned with the Sun is threatened to be carried away by a flood which issues forth from the mouth of the Dragon. This flood is then swallowed up during the New Pentecost, after which the Devil goes off to make war on the Woman's offspring by transferring his great power and authority to the Antichrist:

"The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with a flood. But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river that the dragon had poured from his mouth. Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea." And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads. And the beast that I saw was like a leopard; its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority.
(Rev 12:15-17, 13:1-2)

So it seems that this is where we currently stand right now - in the time period when Satan has been cast down to the earth, and is pursuing the Woman Adorned with the Sun in great fury. Even though we are on the brink of being washed away by the flood which issues from the mouth of the demon, we know that this inundation during the minor apostasy will eventually be swallowed up when the earth comes to the Woman's aid. It is only after the restoration of the Church during the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary that the Antichrist will finally appear, and bring about the events of the Great Apostasy. It is then that the peoples of the world will be forced to either pay homage to the Beast of the Apocalypse, or face the period of open persecution and martyrdom foreseen the Third Secret of Fatima, which takes place during the Final Passover of the Church:

The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection. The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven. God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgement after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world. 
(CCC 677)

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Mark W said...

"Excita, Domine, potentiam tuam, et veni"

Stir (up) thy might, O Lord, and come.

Anonymous said...

Well said Mark W.

The Lord told me "The World is in for a Crude Awakening".......I told everyone to pray...

Anonymous said...

These visions are similiar to the visions ofthe mystic Blessed Catherine of Emmerich (apostasy, the invasion of Rome by a foreign army etc.(Isis?).

Anonymous said...

Thanks for this wonderful message of hope, Emmett.
- Tony C

Mark W said...

This is interesting, Emmett, and I’m curious what you think about this.

Antonio Yague has calculated a timeline and posted eight presentations on YouTube. I do not advocate his timeline, but I do think the work is interesting. He’s using “sacred astronomy” to sort out some things, and parts of what he says are compelling. But he also seems to be an advocate of “British Israelism”, which I think has been largely discredited. And his work loses a lot of steam if you don’t accept Garabandal (and his means of accepting Garabandal seems rather weak to me).

Here’s his timeline:

10 March 2014 – Covenent of Mary
28 Sept 2015 – Last of the Blood Moon Tetrad
24 Aug 2016 – Gog Invasion (Russia invades Europe)
18 Nov 2016 – 6th Seal Opened
13 April 2017 – Sign of the Woman / Miracle of Garabandal
31 July 2017 – Abomination of Desolation
21 Dec 2020 – End of Era or End of Time

He didn’t talk about the restoration of the Church.

But it seems to me that something like this is too compressed for the restoration, unless it comes after the 21 Dec 2020 date. But if you look at a “period of peace” after 21 Dec 2020, then it would fulfill that one part of Fatima that seems to cause so many timeline problems. But the Abomination of Desolation would not likely come that far ahead of the end of the world, would it?

Again, I don’t advocate this timeline or his methods. I just think Yague has an interesting way of looking at this.

Mark

Mark L said...

Those words of Pope Benedict which you quote, Emmett:

“May the seven years which separate us from the centenary of the apparitions hasten the fulfillment of the prophecy of the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, to the glory of the Most Holy Trinity.”

caught on like wildfire on the web. Given the extraordinary profusion of "messages" and date-setting, it's prudent to also publish what Pope Benedict said in an interview with Peter Seewald wherein he heavily qualifies his statement (Light of the World, p. 166, A Conversation with Peter Seewald, part III, chapter 16)

"I said that the “triumph” will draw closer. This is equivalent in meaning to our praying for the coming of God’s Kingdom. This statement was not intended—I may be too rationalistic for that—to express any expectation on my part that there is going to be a huge turnaround and that history will suddenly take a totally different course. The point was rather that the power of evil is restrained again and again, that again and again the power of God himself is shown in the Mother’s power and keeps it alive."

http://www.isidor.se/portals/bengt/lightoftheworld/Light_Of_The_World_split_025.html

Sadly, almost no one seems to publish those heavily qualifying words of his. They latch on to "seven years" and run with it.

Mark L.

Anonymous said...

Are we also at the point, where Peter, (Pope Benedict XVI) proclaims "You are the Christ."? And then shortly after another Peter, refuses to allow Christ to be Crucified, refuses to allow him to save humanity, and Christ says, "Get behind me Satan". So is this two separate popes? One faithful, and he proclaims Christ, much as Pope Benedict has done, and then very shortly later, he tells Christ he is not going to allow him fulfill his mission. Two different Popes??

srt8 said...

Hello, Emmett. Based on your observations. This all wraps ups around 2040 give or take?

Emmett O'Regan said...

Mark W,

The prophecy of the abomination of desolation is one of multiple fulfillment, and ultimately points to the person of the Antichrist himself. The appearance of the Antichrist takes place at the end of the period of peace, right before the end of the world. So the restoration of the Church must come before the Antichrist attempts to take his seat in the Temple of God. I don't think there is any way all this can happen in such a short space of time. This probably impinges in srt8's question as well. It's really hard to tell, since it is not for us know exact dates. But I think the Great Jubilee Year of the Redemption in 2033 will be heavily involved in whatever's coming our way, since the Great Jubilee of the Incarnation in 2000 was of such prophetic importance, and is pointing towards the significance of this future date. Whether this will be the end of the world or not is anyone's guess. Either way, there must at least be a short period of peace before the appearance of the Antichrist, and my guess is that it will be around at least two decades from the beginning of the restoration of the Church until the arrival of the Man of Sin. So let's say for talk's sake that the restoration of the Church does begin in 2017 (and this is in no way guaranteed, but it is as good a guess as any); then the appearance of the Antichrist would be right around the corner, about the year 2037 or so. If this involved a seven year period of tribulation, divided into two periods of 3.5 years, then the year 2044 would see the destruction of the Antichrist and subsequently, the end of the world itself. But its entirely dependent on when we calculate the beginning of the New Springtime of the Church from:

“From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near. So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away."
(Matt 24:32-35)

Once we see the fig tree starting to take bloom, a generation shall not pass until the Second Coming of Christ and the passing away of heaven and earth. A biblical generation is generally thought to be around 40 years, as this was the length of time that the Israelites had to wander in the desert in punishment for their sin, so that the older generation would die off before they entered the Promised Land. So we can be almost certain that its going to be less than 40 years from the beginning of the restoration of the Church until the appearance of the Antichrist, the Second Coming of Christ, and the destruction of the world by fire. Now the thing here is when does the New Springtime of the Church actually begin? There are two distinct points in time involved here - it all starts off from when the head of the Serpent is crushed under the feet of the Woman Adorned with the Sun, and Satan is cast down to earth. After this, the Devil becomes enraged at the Woman, and sends out a flood from his mouth threatening to carry her away. Then the flood is swallowed up by the earth. The swallowing up of the flood is when the Church is finally restored. So we are either to calculate this "generation" from the crushing of the head of the Serpent (which the appearance of the "signs in heaven" suggests took place at the turn of the millennium), or from the swallowing up of the flood issued from the mouth of the Dragon. So it could either be minus 40 years counting from the turn of the millennium, or minus 40 years from some future date when the Church is finally completely restored during the proclamation of the Gospel to the ends of the earth.

Emmett O'Regan said...

Mark L,

Yes I was aware of Benedict XVI's further clarification on that. I think it worth noting that he links this time period to the "restraining of evil" - which is of course referring to the binding of Satan, and as such, he may be alluding here to the prophecy of 100 years of Satan's great power. I would share his reservations in expecting a complete turnaround in history. Satan was bound from the ministry of Christ right up until the beginning of the 20th century, but its not as if the world was completely free of evil up until then - far from it. But we may be able to see the Gospel again be able to spread after this point, in a way it hasn't been able to from since the beginning of the 20th century - largely to do with the evils that were wrought during this time period:

"And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."
(Matt 24:12-14)

Scott Pauline said...

Too much to respond to. I will say, this is all too specific. I think the dragon scenes should spread across ALL of Church history. I agree that on one level, we are in the beast and false prophet, but the period of peace should be the millennium of apocalypse 20, the war in heaven, pagan Rome, and the pursuit of the woman, the dark ages, the rest from the serpent, the middle ages, and the flood of heresies, Protestantism and Enlightenment

Mark L said...

Emmett-

I just re-read your post on the Great Jubilee of the Year 2000:

http://unveilingtheapocalypse.blogspot.com/2012/06/john-paul-ii-triumph-of-mary-and-great.html

Please comment, if you will, on the significance of the end of the current Jewish Shemitah and the beginning of the Jewish Yovel - the Jubilee Year. There seems to be some disagreement among Rabbis whether it is from 2015 to 2016, or from 2016 to 2017, e.g.:

"It certainly would be significant if both 5677 (1917) and 5727 (1967) were Jubilee years (see YOVEL1), considering the significance of what happened in Jerusalem on those years. But it gets even more interesting, because Judah Ben Samuel also prophesied that during the 10th Jubilee Jerusalem would be under the control of the Jews and the Messianic “end times” would begin. If he’s right, the 10th Jubilee began in 5727 (1967) and will be concluded in 5777 (2017)."

(from http://www.betemunah.org/yovel.html#_Toc404107625, among others).

I find it captivating that Jewish Rabbis should be authoring such material which aligns so incredibly with Catholic events. The Jewish Jubilee Year seems to align perfectly with the upcoming Extraordinary Jubilee Year of Mercy. And with the conclusion of both we have the 100th anniversary of Fatima.

Is this not extraordinarily compelling? Unless I'm mistaken, I haven't seen any of your posts dig deep into this amazing coincidence. I would love to see some material from you about this overlap, and the heightening excitement in Judaism. Some prominent Jewish Rabbi's are even calling for the return of the Jews to Israel in preparation for the coming of the Messiah. I don't know if this has "always happened" over the centuries or not, but for it to align perfectly with the Extraordinary Jubilee Year of Mercy, the centenary of Fatima and so forth just amazes me-

http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/44534/leading-israeli-rabbi-messiah-imminent-jewish-world/#hQVELCRf4M1EHMkt.97

Now, if the next year or two come and go and nothing "seems to happen," then we will be back to painting in much larger brushstrokes. As the years roll by and we don't see events transpire as we expected them, we recast our thinking and become more ambiguous about interpretations.

Mark L.

Mark L said...

p.s. Regarding time periods being "too compressed" and so forth, I can only recount here just how rapidly events can transpire in our days. For example after 9/11 we saw people flood into churches (for awhile at least). Look at the events of the Arab spring, and in the blink of an eye how fast things happened. Internet and smart phone technology has also contributed to an amazing compression. Pope Francis speaks about the "rapidification" of events (his own word - #18) in his Laudauto Si encyclical.

So I think in an incredibly brief span of time we could see the Catholic Church return to the high splendor of her glory. This could happen in a mere matter of days or weeks, not years. Again, look at how deeply religious people got in an instant after 9/11. The right event could spawn a mass migration of souls with ease. Indeed, it wouldn't even surprise us, would it.

And, frankly, I am intrigued at how the non-faithful are moved so deeply by Pope Francis, while many devout Catholics are not necessarily so moved. (I personally was much more drawn to Pope Benedict). So are we seeing the Holy Spirit at work here, are the unbelievers having their hearts prepared for some event or events? Or will it be a return to "business as usual" and his trip to America will soon be forgotten until the next daily news soundbite distracts our attention from the hard work of personal conversion?

Mark L.

Mark W said...

Hi Mark L -

My 2 cents worth - worth everything you pay for it. :)

I think Yague is onto something with his timeline above. I disagree with his conclusions and some of his methodology, but he strikes at even more coincidences. I think he's more believable if you look at his timeline around the renewal of the Church, rather than the end of the world. That would put the renewal of the Church at some point in 2017 (the beginning of the renewal?), with the renewal complete just days before Christmas in 2020. This would put the time for the renewal in a handful of years, rather than days or weeks. But I also wouldn’t bet against the days or weeks either.

Not based on anything buy my own analysis of the world – I think we’re due for a major financial upheaval that will crash the global economies. We’re seeing it now, and the full plunge is likely just days or weeks away. (And it all started within about 10 days before the Shemitah. The DOW is down 2000 points since then, and even some of the secular traders are beginning to wonder if the Shemitah didn’t happen just a bit more subtly than they thought it would.) The global central banks are barely holding things together right now. Once that happens, I think we descend into a mini-dark age, a world lit only by fire. The renewal could come from this – we sink into the abyss first, then come out with a renewed Church. Between that, we could easily get the Russian move against Europe that Yague predicts in mid-2016, and the Renewal beginning in 2017 with the Garabandal miracle.

Now, would I change any of my plans based on this? No. I’m not even convinced about the reality of Garabandal. But it all makes for fun supposition.

Mark W

Emmett O'Regan said...

Mark L. I am aware of Rabbi Judah Ben Samuel's prophecy concerning the Jubilees and its relationship to the year 2017, and also the planetary alignment which is set to take place that year on Sept 23rd, which bears some significance to the description of the Woman Adorned with the sun in Rev 12. I think it is fascinating, but I'm wary of getting caught up in date setting. I have a few dates of my own in mind when it comes to Scripture and the chronology of the Apocalypse. I just don't want to put my stake in the ground that way though, and then get discredited for doing so when it doesn't pan out. This is mostly just speculation here, and even if it is the type of speculation that is grounded in the realms of feasibility, I have no way of knowing if it will in fact all turn out the way I expect it to. I'm not a prophet, and have no way of seeing into the future beyond what is contained in Scripture and Church approved private revelations, and trying to make sense out of them in a comparative overview. In fact I've already encountered some paradigm shifts of my own that I will need to correct for the second edition of my book, since a lot of events have taken place to evolve my thought on such matters, including the publication of new credible private revelations such as Sr. Lucia's 1944 Tuy apparition. So by my own admission, I am very likely to get it wrong in many respects, and I don't want to fully divulge my thoughts on future dates out of fear of being well wide of the mark, as almost everyone else before me has.

Mark L said...


Thanks for that reasoned reply Emmett - it makes perfect sense. Indeed, the sound reasoning behind it is the kind of thinking which keeps me here at this blog and not wandering around too much elsewhere.

I also appreciate your comment about paradigm shifts. I was going to inquire about that in a future post. I do spend time reading your older posts and have sometimes wondered if that hasn't sometimes been the case. It makes perfect sense that it should; we aren't divine.

I am quite glued to the web these days, and have to confess to falling into a bit of a Jonah'esque attitude of perching under a tree and watching to see what transpires, rather than taking up the Abrahamic ministry of interceding for the world. Both knew something was going down, both took up positions over their respective cities. Abraham poured out his heart in supplication to prevent divine punishment, Jonah became perturbed that his prophecies didn't bring the fire & brimstone he anticipated. I think here too of Lot's wife, looking back to see the destruction and essentially becoming paralyzed due to it.

More prayer, less web.

It's sometimes challenging for me to remain calm and at ease in these days, placidly moving forward day by day without looking out in the world via the web and seeing so many seemingly obvious signs fall into place. I'm glad I don't have the additional pressure you do of maintaining your reputation and authoring material which the rest of us strangers get to pick apart!

Mark L.

Mark L said...


Curiously, 2017 also marks the 500th anniversary of Venerable Holzhauser's 5th epoch of the church, an epoch marked by great trials and the rise of Islam and the persecution of the church. After the 5th epoch, the 6th epoch arrives with the Great Monarch and the Angelic Pastor ("Holy Pope and Powerful Emperor") and a period of peace. After that peaceful epoch concludes, which sees the glory of the Church restored in splendor, comes the Antichrist and the End.

So that fits perfectly with this blog post by Emmett.

Mark L.

Robert Sestan said...

Greetings to all.

I'm a notorious lurker and very rarely leave comments on public forums but I have been motivated to do so on this occasion as I am genuinely puzzled and intrigued regarding speculation surrounding eschatological events.

Rather than add my interpretation of revelation and the minor v major apostasy sequence of events that may manifest or appear with each of those moments in human history I would like to seek your opinions on how is it possible as many speculate that after a minor apostasy and the antiticipated renewal of faith throughout the world after the triumph of Mary's Immacualte Heart, the world which at that moment has just experienced the greatest manifestation of the Lord's power and Glory in all of recorded human history since the great flood, can or will within decades ( as speculated ...possibly longer) of this universal superantatural event, can or will fall back into a greater apostasy the which preceded it ?? This puzzles me as it would seem to render the power of the triumph of the Immacualte Heart to nothing more than a passing electrical storm that is soon forgotten after the sun comes back out if this is the case. Is it possible that humanity could erase the memory and power of such a supernatural event as the direct intervention of the Mother of God in the affairs of humanity ? Would not awe of this event immutably and indelibly commit us all to fall prostate to the ground or on our knees and seek penance for the rest of our earthly existence ? Considering also that the restoration of the faith globally would be recorded and documented as a testimony and witness to this supernatural event. Is it the " deception that will even deceive the elect" which will trigger the great apostasy or will it be an ascending or descending decay of morality over many years that will usher in the antichrist. What will the deception be ? What will cause people to once again turn away from God after experiencing the triumph of the Immacualte Heart ?

Or is there only one great apostasy to come which will bring forward the culmination of the end, has Satan being bound since the resurrection of Jesus Christ in order to allow the evangelisation of the Gospels to the entire world. One can rationally argue that the Gospel has already been proclaimed throughout the whole world. I really don't know. It's a mystery.
Robert

Anonymous said...

Hello all!
I think it seems obvious that all of us is of the mind that with the Year of Mercy coming in 2 months - and lasting until the end of November 2016 - and then 2017 arriving -- that it would be surprising if NOTHING happened during that time -- by nothing I mean obviously something fairly world shaking -- it would be no surprise if the warning occurred during the Year of Mercy and then the Miracle of Garabandal in the spring of 2017 (and most believe that those 2 events are 2 of the 3 beginning "secrets" of Medjugorje). And then after these 2 major events another warning sign in Medjugorje itself -- after which comes possibly 10 -18 years of events that cleanse humanity -- God having granted every human on earth the ability to have been warned and to change the course of their lives before the cleansing events occur.
We shall see.
Michael Patrick

Mark L said...

Robert Sestan-

I'm really glad you came out of lurking to write that. I think it is an outstanding observation.

You're right, and you wrote eloquently so I'll stop and look forward to some penetrating analysis by Emmett.

Michael-

I agree. In fact I have said often to friends that part of me would look for something to happen *prior* to the Year of Mercy so that people flood back to the Church *during* the year of mercy to receive God's mercy. I know of several people (one or more priests among them) that are becoming anxious that the Year of Mercy will just come and go like a blip, and only the devout will take advantage of it. But when I get to thinking that way ("we could use a little shake-up"), I repent in my mind as I feel in my heart, "who am I to think that way, to tell God what is needed?"

I have been feeling in my heart all this year that perhaps I myself am being prepared, so that if something happens and my friends come to me, God's mercy can flow through me to them, that is to say, all instincts toward harshness or judgmentalism be rooted out of me and I will only say, "return to the God who loves you and awaits you."

But - maybe the years will come and go and things will simply continue as normal, who knows.

Mark L.

Anonymous said...

Mark W and all

We have been fed a serious and dangerous lie, the lie of Ecumenism, and this coming Restoration of the Church will bring the Church back to Truth and Tradition - which is Truth. This includes the restoration of the Mass. The Mass was never to be changed, and doing so (watering it down and placing the focus on ourselves instead of God) has hastened the apostasy we are living today and which grows exponentially each very day now.

Each Catholic must pull out a Baltimore Catechism or the Catechism of the Council of Trent and learn the True Faith which was passed down to us from the Apostles - NOW - because we are being sifted like wheat and most are being led astray by the wolves in sheep's clothing and can no longer recognize the voice of The Shepherd! Then make a good and thorough general Confession, for ultimately it is SIN which blinds us. Few of us have believed, lived and witnessed as Catholics should in these past few decades. We are all responsible and also for our own ignorance and/or rejection of the Truth we will also have to answer. Bad pastors are a chastisement for sin.

ALL Prophecies from non-catholic, approved sources MUST be ignored. We have plenty of approved sources from which to draw and see where we are at this time and what we must do.

Fatima
Akita
Our Lady of Good Success
La Salette
Bl Emmerich
Ven. Holzhauser
Marie-Julie Jahenny
And more...

May God be with us all and direct us in the coming days.

Emmett O'Regan said...

Robert, that's a good question, and I have an answer to that, which I hope to get round to this evening. I was actually thinking alone lines similar to your question as I was writing the above post. But I didn't want to include it, because the article was already getting too lengthy in itself. I'll try to sum it up briefly for you later.

Anonymous said...

Robert:

You make a very logical argument regarding the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart and how in the world could we ever turn away from such a miraculous intervention. I think Scripture (while not explaining the "HOW") can certainly give us a great example.

Think back to the parting of the Red Sea and the deliverance from Pharoah and his army. I can only imagine how majestic and miraculous that event was and what do the Israelites do just a short while after...Complain about the conditions, lack of food and claim how much better it would have been to simply remain a slave in Egypt. This culminates in the crafting of the infamous, golden calf and idol worship...

You ask "How could this happen?"

Because we (like the Israelites) are a stiff-necked people.
God Bless.
MG3

Robert Sestan said...

Yes MG3 I have considered the parting of the Red Sea as a prototype of example of how the faithful being granted a supernatural grace can once again retreat back into the den of the devil. Indeed, the Son of God himself performed miracles as evidence of his Divinity, yet he was crucified on a Cross, so one could argue that a manifestation of Divinity as powerful and majestic as it is will not convince those with evil hearts to repent. That explains why hell exists. But Satan was not bound in those aforementioned moments of history, he was still free to roam and interact and influence human affairs, he was intimately involved in influencing those apostate Israelite's who reverted back to the worship of Egyptian pagan idols such as the golden calf. Satan was also active in manipulating the Pharisees to engineer the Crucifixion of Christ at the hands of the Romans.

Conversely the narrative of the forthcoming "Triumph of the Immaculate Heart" we are told that a forthcoming universal Christian conversion and restoration will take place as a result of the "binding of Satan and him being thrown into the pit" This is the fundamental pivot which endeavors to justify and explain the plausibility of the Triumph. The strong man has been bound and cast into the pit, meaning his influence has been removed from human affairs which is a unique event in the course of recorded human history. No other moment in the timeline of human history has Satan being bound and restrained to the extent needed for the Triumph to succeed. Yet the gospel's tells us "Satan is the prince and the power of the air" and that the whole world is under under the domain of Satan's influence.

The Triumph narration depending on who you listen to, will proceed to create a "Christian utopian" world and enjoy an "Era of Peace" where everyone will live together in Christian peace. I must say this sounds a lot like "Heaven" to me.

Further, is Satan then let loose to wreak carnage one last time after a 1000 years of being bound or is it only decades as some others seem to suggest.

I have my reservations about the whole Era of Peace narrative , yet I humbly admit I could be completely and utterly wrong.

The schism between the Easter and Western lungs of the Catholic Church took place in 1054 ad. 1000 years after the Crucifixion of our Lord. I think this is the pivotal moment when Satan was released from his bondage. One only needs to look at the course of history since that key event took place in 1054 to understand who was the author behind the schism.

Robert


Anonymous said...

In response to Anonymous-those very words-"we are being sifted like wheat" came to me this week while reflecting on the Pope's visit. What I am getting out of it is to stay focused on Christ, the Sacraments, Scripture, prayer. It is very easy to be distracted by the unimportant.

Michael Gandolfo said...

Robert:

Great response! You do a great job of outlining your argument/position and following up with solid examples. I really enjoyed reading it. Your point of a "Satan-less" environment is well taken. The only thought I have to rebut is Does Satan being bound and tied remove all sin (concuspicience) from the human race or are we still "sinners?" If we are still under the influence (so to speak) of our original sinful nature, the door would seem to be always open to allow us to revert back to evil ways.

Yes, without Satan and his cronies to "help" us along that path, we might appear to be living in peace and relative unity...but sin is the cancer that kills all of us and left within the patient will eventually take over.

My take on the Triumph diaglouge is Mary's "victory" while a huge turning point is only temporary as binding Satan without fully eradicating sin from the human race only gives us a brief respite from evil. Undoubtedly, Satan/demonic forces continually stirring the pot and directly attacking us amplifies our sinful nature, and his absence will make life seem like "Heaven on earth" but it's still not the same...


Not as well crafted a response as yours, but hopefully dances around a possible explanation. Would love to hear your thoughts on this.
Thanks,
MG3

Emmett O'Regan said...

In response to the original question posted above by Robert, Sr. Lucia has told us that the main reason for the delay of the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary is precisely because of the anticipated rejection that will soon follow in its wake, making us even more culpable for our actions. The analogy presented above is an excellent one, concerning of the Israelites constructing the idol of the Golden Calf after they had been delivered from bondage in Egypt. History is destined to repeat itself.
Any rejection of Christ after the Blessed Mother has proven to the world beyond doubt of the truth of Catholicism will be unforgivable. The world should expect to be immediately chastised the very moment collective society rejects its Lord and Saviour after all doubt to the truth of Catholicism has been removed. In the words of Sr. Lucia during her interview with Fr. Fuentes:

“...in the plans of the Divine Providence, when God is going to chastise the world He always first exhausts all other remedies. When He sees that the world pays no attention whatsoever, then, as we say in our imperfect way of talking, with a certain fear He presents us the last means of salvation, His Blessed Mother.

If we despise and reject this last means, Heaven will no longer pardon us, because we will have committed a sin that the Gospel calls a sin against the Holy Spirit. This sin consists in openly rejecting – with full knowledge and will – the salvation that is put in our hands.

Mark L said...


Emmett will you add your closing double quote, either after the final paragraph or the penultimate one? It makes a big difference!

And I am left with the thought that even many angels decided against God after having a revelation of Him (not the Beatific Vision, which would have rendered rejection impossible, as Aquinas states). If you want to read an excellent book about their fall and related matters, check out "The Human Soul and Its Relations with Other Spirits," by Dom Anscar Vonier. It's outstanding (and Thomistic).

Mark L.

KP said...

Very interesting response Emmett! I hadn't thought of it like that. I had always thought the idea of an Era of Peace golden age was wrong. But the way you explain it makes more sense.

Lucia's explanation also implies that the real final end, after the rejection of the miracle, would have to be within living memory of the people at the very end. I don't think someone would be very culpable for a huge miracle that happened 1000 years beforehand. But one would be very very culpable for rejecting a huge miracle within your living memory.

Emmett O'Regan said...

Mark L - In order to avoid confusion, I will post the full quote of Sr. Lucia's words below:

"Father, the Most Holy Virgin did not tell me that we are in the last times of the world, but She made me understand this for three reasons."


"The first reason is because She told me that the devil is in the mood for engaging in a decisive battle against the Virgin. And a decisive battle is the final battle where one side will be victorious and the other side will suffer defeat. Also, from now on we must choose sides. Either we are for God or we are for the devil. There is no other possibility."


"The second reason is because She said to my cousins as well as to myself, that God is giving two last remedies to the world. These are the Holy Rosary and devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. These are the last two remedies which signify that there will be no others."



"The third reason is because in the plans of Divine Providence, God always, before He is about to chastise the world, exhausts all other remedies. Now, when He sees that the world pays no attention whatsoever, then as we say in our imperfect manner of speaking, He offers us with ‘certain fear’ the last means of salvation, His Most Holy Mother. It is with ‘certain fear’ because if you despise and repulse this ultimate means, we will not have any more forgiveness from Heaven, because we will have committed a sin which the Gospel calls the sin against the Holy Ghost. This sin consists of openly rejecting, with full knowledge and consent, the salvation which He offers. Let us remember that Jesus Christ is a very good Son and that He does not permit that we offend and despise His Most Holy Mother. We have recorded through many centuries of Church history the obvious testimony which demonstrates by the terrible chastisements which have befallen those who have attacked the honor of His Most Holy Mother, how Our Lord Jesus Christ has always defended the honor of His Mother."

Robert Sestan said...

Hi Michael

The observations you make and the questions you pose revert to the very issue of plausibility of the Triumph and the Era of Peace which I think we all grapple with.

The more I consider the proposition the more I believe it has no basis in reality.

I don't for one moment pretend to be an expert or as knowledgeable as Emmet on eschatological matters and I certainly do not want to give an impression that I am authority on matters pertaining to the End. My judgement is not based on voluminous amounts of research over many years studying and analyzing in detail as many others have.

I have a solid understanding, nothing more, but I acknowledge it is limited. So please keep that in mind when reading my comments.

I look at matters in a more pragmatic way, testing and comparing all eschatological speculation against that which is prophesied in the Gospels and the Old Testament and how does it stack up. For a start Triumph of the Immaculate Heart and the ensuing The Era of Peace is not evident in the Gospels.

I consider the words of Jesus Christ in his "Olivet Discourse" as the most significant Divine revelation and the most comprehensive in matters pertaining to the End. It is the Alpha and Omega, it sits above any proclamations or statements made by any one since, including St Augustine, St Aquinas, venerable or Blessed Saints, Popes,Bishops, Cardinals Priests, mystics,seers, visionaries and academics who have spent a life time studying eschatology.

There is no reference to the Era of Peace in the Olivet discourse. Zero

In fact the second phase of the increased birth pangs, Jesus mentions False Prophets,Apostasy and Persecution for his followers (this coming after Earthquakes, pestilences and nations rising up again each other). Not one word of a restored future universal Christian Utopian kingdom.

The great historical human reset was the Great Flood.

God then came down from Heaven and became Man incarnate.

He was crucified on the Cross for the salvation of our souls, He paid the price with his blood. This SACRIFICE was the ETERNAL sign to humanity, I AM THE WAY THE LIFE NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME. The definitive statement, the definitive SIGN, the defining EVENT in the history of the Cosmos, as prophesied 600 years earlier in the Old Testament. Do we really think a further sign of his DIVINITY is required ?

Also another very powerful statement which Jesus made and resonates powerfully with me and gives me perspective when I start getting to attached to the World and all it has to offer , and that is

(Luke 12:49-53)
Do not think that I came to send PEACE upon EARTH I came NOT to send PEACE, but the sword. For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

The Era of Peace event seems to contradict the very WORDS of Christ.

Christ in fact calls us out of the WORLD, he tells us to take up our CROSS, this is direct contradiction to the "Era of Peace" on Earth as brief as it may be.

Christ never promised peace, comfort, riches, happiness..he only promised the reward of Heaven after you have carried your Cross and followed him. Suffering in humility on this Earth is the pathway for a Christian but experiencing Joy in Spirit in being united with Christ.

I don't have any evidence , but I have a feeling the Immaculate Heart of Mary which is the ONE heart with Jesus will TRIUMPH in uniting Christianity under one Church once again before the final onslaught of Satan. This will be her Triumph.

Emmet

Regarding your comments specifically what St Lucia said, I did not find anything in her statement that would confirm the expectation of an Era of Peace.

In fact, I think you put forward an argument and reasons which supports why an Era of Peace will not happen.

God Bless
Robert

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KP said...

I see what you mean robert.

It sounds to me, according to sr Lucia's words, that there will be a large miracle that should make it obvious to all; but even this will be rejected. Thus people remain extremely culpable and the final judgment is even more severe.

Youre right that there is no Era of Peace mentioned there.

Emmett seems to be saying that the miracle will be accepted briefly, before being explained away and dismissed after a few decades.

Either way you end up with the same effect in the end. But perhaps the Era of Peace is simply heaven, or it refers to an Era of Peace between Christians, after 1000 years of division

Mark W said...

Robert,

As I understand it, the Era of Peace is a misconception based on Mary's words at Fatima, and thereby through Sister Lucia.

"In the end, My Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to Me, and she will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world."

Take out the clauses in the sentence and you get - In the end a period of peace will be granted to the world.

Some people, I think, have taken this basic sentence and conflated it with the 1000 year eucharistic reign of Christ. It's turned into a kind of millennialism for the modern world. I think that's dead wrong, and I think that's one aspect of what differentiates the right from the wrong in these discussions.

That said, I do trust Mary's words of a period of peace after the triumph of the immaculate heart. That period of peace may only be measured in a few years, but if Fatima is correct then we have no reason not to accept that idea.

My 2 cents worth. It's worth everything you paid for it. :)

Mark L said...


I think there is an argument that we have already had a period of peace, the period since, for instance, the Berlin wall came down in the 80's. Those who grew up in the cold war era, then lived into that period, up until now, know what I mean when I say that much of JPII's reign was an era of peace and astonishing world-wide prosperity.

Which seems to have unwound *remarkably* fast.

I, too, don't seem to 'get' the idea that things will unravel, then come back together again dramatically (illumination of conscience, opportunity to repent, the return of the Church's splendor, etc.) only to then collapse once again dramatically, preparing the stage for the antichrist. To my heart and mind, this just doesn't work out.

If anything, it seems to be we are going to just continue sliding into chaos. Perhaps we will receive these "warnings" and what not (but haven't we already? 9/11, tsunami's, incurable diseases, etc. etc. - what else could constitute greater warnings?), but as has been said, they will be brushed off again quickly (just like when the churches emptied out again so quickly after 9/11 when "mankind took charge again; look how quickly we rebuilt, the market barely winked," etc.) and things will resume collapsing very rapidly.

Our leaders stood and applauded Pope Francis' call to respect life, then sat back down and continued to fund PP. So all that emotion with his visit, what concrete changes are being made. One judge redefines marriage for the entire nation, stripping states rights and people's votes. One man. I live in NC, and we voted to protect the sanctity of marriage, only to have our vote summarily dismissed by one federal judge. "Too bad for you." Undone.

And so on. All of this corruption will be miraculously reversed? I could see even more punishments ahead, even more denial of God, denial that He could possibly "punish" (God doesn't punish, that is how these natural disasters are spun by most Christians) and so forth. It feels like to me we are rapidly approaching the point where the world is ready for the antichrist to appear on the scene. I think ill-intentioned world leaders are going to take advantage of the profound leadership weakness in the current administration, and they will make more and more moves up until he leaves office. If we elect a hawk, they will be desperate to act before the election. If (beyond my comprehension) we elect another Dem, then they'll continue to do anything they want for another four years.

I keep fighting the instinct, but I just can't get my head to the point of thinking we've got decades yet ahead of us. I cannot imagine this world in 20-30 years, seeing how it is today. BUT - "who am I, O Lord, who am I." I likely am just getting old and cranky.

Mark L.

Anonymous said...

Mark L and all
Michael Patrick said....
I dont think we have decades -- in the sense that, personally, I think God is going to start doing things to get people's attention very soon. And so, even though it may be 2 decades until things are wrapped up -- cleaned up-- it will be 2 decades ( or a wee bit less or a wee bit more ) when many things are actually occurring. Otherwise, you're correct -- even with 9/11 and 2 massive tsunami's and lots of 8. earthquakes over the last 14 years -- people and governments are just doing their own thing. As many on this blog seem to agree, we are at the very door of God starting to 'shake the tree', to grab the attention of His children -- to help them see that there IS good and evil -- there are RIGHT and WRONG decisions -- and that its not just about "how you feel" and that "no one is getting hurt" -- so that all of us -- every human on earth -- can have time to decide -- as Sr Lucia said - for either God or the Devil - for good or for evil. And then after a few warnings / wakeups - after everyone has had the chance to decide -- then God will allow a time of cleanup. Time will tell. But from the Miraculous medal, to Lasalette, to Knock, to Fatima, to Banneux, to Garabandal, to Akita, to Medjugorje it seems very clear that our good Mother has, by God's design, returned again and again and again to call us to return to Her Son -- with the inclusion in her messages of a time coming when things would come to a head and a new time would dawn forth in the triumph of her heart. In Lasalette - apocalyptic language all around, in Fatima -- an annihilation of nations and the triumph of her heart "in the end", in Garabandal -- warning, sign, possible chastisement, in Akita - a time when cardinal would oppose cardinal, churches would be sacked and a horrific punishment would be sent to the world and in Medjugojre -- 10 secrets -- 3 warnings, a sign and 3 chastisements. For now, as always - Prayer!
Michael Patrick

Mark L said...

Michael-

Regarding your last two sentences, hasn't the twentieth century fulfilled all of those things? If one reads about what happened throughout the twentieth century, the complete destruction of hundreds of monasteries (all but just a few in the entire USSR), the systematic destruction of millions of people and religious; a bloodbath throughout the century so extreme, they gave it the name "Hemoclysm."

Wars and massacres during that century took the lives of some 155 million people - 80% of all the human deaths that century were due to the Hemoclysm (Greek for "Blood Bath"):

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/atrox.htm

Entire nations were annihilated. I doubt we will see the extremes of church members opposing one another like they did then. A few German bishops disagreeing with African bishops over whether divorced people can receive communion seems like child's play compared to that century.

Almost overnight we saw it end.

I think in this regard, I was really drawn to the book by Greg Cring, "A While Longer," which seems to move things closer by a lot, and give greater weight to the twentieth century as well as the times we are living in. He gives a lot of weight between the "little while" of when the 20th century horrors ended and now. He does, however, give great weight to Medjugorje.

I really don't know about Medjugorje. I struggle with it, sometimes quite a lot, and I've been there twice. I even saw a recent conference via youtube with Mirjana where she was asked about the "secret parchment" given to her by Mary (!) that contains the secrets because she was having difficulty remembering them (!), and what would happen if she died. She said, "if I die I'm sure that the parchment will be given to someone else to give to the priest when the time comes." (But wait - they were all supposed to witness the secrets) So really odd things like those give me pause. Even so, I tell myself that they cannot be fabricated by the seers: I find it inconceivable they could psychologically maintain such a deception among themselves for so long without a mental breakdown. So it's either God or the enemy, in my mind. And if it's the enemy, that, in itself, says quite a lot about the days we're living in.

Personally I think the vast amount of online noise about these "end times" comes because of the internet. People read things, they take it to prayer, then they "hear God" in their heads and believe it is a locution, when in fact it is their subconscious combining all these things they are reading, in addition to the psycho-social phenomenon of the web (rather like mob mentality), they create a blog, get followers who reinforce their delusions and - wham. We end up with another of the "Locutions To the World," which just completely melted down and proved itself false, causing a great deal of damage to many people.

I think nearly all of these online "prophets who 'hear' Our Lord in a special way at prayer" are likely flat out self-deceptions.

Emmett is quite possibly the only one I put most of my trust and respect in, because of his apparent refusal to get caught up in the frenzy, set dates and so on. I have trusted others too much and gotten stung.

Mark L.

Mark W said...

Mark L,

Here's a video that graphically demonstrates your point:

https://vimeo.com/128373915

Could this be the "period of peace"? I suppose so, but it's hard to work through the timing relative to the consecration of Russia.

I love thinking about this stuff, but I don't think we'll ever get the answer.

MarkW

Mark W said...

Oh, and if you want to skip to the period after WWII and the "Long Peace", then jump to about 14 minutes of that video.

Mark L said...

That's a remarkable video Mark, thank you, and one which brings honor to a rapidly-forgotten past.

With the advent of technologies which are causing addiction to the "new and novel," we run a serious risk, I think. Attention spans continue to plummet (scientifically proven). Last week's news is ancient history. I remember what my mother said when Bush 1 left office, that "the last of our war presidents does not bode well for our country."

Regarding the consecration of Russia, done by John Paul II in 1984, just look at how events unfolded once it was done:

https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/FatimaConsecration.htm

Mark L

Mark W said...

So, Emmett, what do you say? Could this be the period of peace right now? Or, well, the end of it, perhaps.

(I don't remember if this was asked in another thread or not.)

Mark L said...


I think the idea of this being the period of peace was brought up in another thread. And I recall mentioning the unimaginable number of abortions worldwide since 1980. The number *vastly* eclipses the so called Hemoclysm of the Twentieth Century.

So in that regard, it's hard to even look at the twentieth century as the one given over to Satan. If the loss of innocent lives is the gauge, nothing has ever come close to the aforementioned tragedy in the history of the world. With the number closing in on one and a half billion, it's hard to imagine that anything ever will. Even if a divine chastisement awaits, it would have to eliminate a quarter of all humans on earth to match.

I'm sorry to have to write that, but it is the reality of our times, which is what we are discussing.

KP said...

I see what you mean. I guess I would reply that the main conflict discussed in Fatima is communism vs the Church. There was a period of peace within that conflict after the Soviet Union fell. And looking at where the west is going, it's going to be coming back stronger than ever, just in a slightly updated form.

Mark L said...


That is a good point KP, an ideological/political clash of nations vs. however we want to understand the latter.

Mark L said...


"The bridegroom was late, and they all [the wise and the foolish] fell asleep." (Matthew 25.5)

John Z said...

If anyone believes we've already had the "period of peace" they are simply ignorant or a fool and what's worse they call our Lady a liar.

KP said...

John Z; imagine you were living during the Civil War, and Mary showed up and went on and on about race wars and violence between blacks and whites. She then said not to worry because her immaculate Heart will triumph and there will be a period of peace.

Then the Pope consecrated the south to Mary, and the South stops slavery.

Would you turn around and say Mary's prophecy wasn't fulfilled because there was still violence in the world?

No. Her focus was on race wars between the south and north. The period of peace she would be referencing would be referring to the end of slavery, not that the entire world would he a utopia.

Fatima likewise goes on and on about communism being the major conflict of the world, and then says her immaculate heart would triumph and there would be a period of peace. It could just as easily be understood that-- being that the major conflict stated again and again was communism-- the period of peace is referring to a period where communism has disappeared. There's nothing in the text that implies the period of peace is a worldly utopia without any violence or minimal sin. The entire Fatima message was about communism and Mary's triumph over it.

Anonymous said...

KP, did Our Lady say anything about communism?

sam

KP said...

Yes, the main focus of her warnings was Russia and its errors being spread.

Mark W said...

I keep coming back to the idea that we should know when we're in the period of peace, and the source should be obvious. Otherwise, it could easily be misinterpreted by just about anyone.

Anonymous said...

KP, Our Lady never said anything about communism. Lucy did but not OL. I believe the 'errors' referred were of the spiritual nature and not communism. Our Lady also said there would be world peace as a result of the consecration. This has not occurred.
And Mark is correct. We should know when we're in a period of peace and I would think it would be almost instantaneously.

KP said...

Anon, where did our lady day there would be world peace and a golden age where everyone is Catholic within the Fatima message? She didn't. She merely said that the errors of Russia would spread, but that she would triumph over it, followed by an unspecified period of peace.

She likewise told Lucia that the FINA battle would be over marriage and the family, which is happening right now. If the Era of Peace is in the future, then the battle over marriage and the family isn't really the last battle, but at least the 2nd to last one.

If she was only warning about spiritual dangers, then why did she say the errors of Russia specifically? The spiritual dangers of atheism and secularism came from France, not Russia. Those secular/spiritual dangers already existed well within the west before thr Soviet Union csme along. What was particular to Russia was communism.

Mark W, you say that we should know we're in the prophesied period of peace while it's happening. Perhaps. But throughout history, even the most important prophecies in history-- the messianic prophecies of the OT-- were not understood until well after they were fulfilled. Our track record of fully realizing the meaning of a prophecy WHILE it's happening has been very low.

I think it's quite possible we've already had our peace with the conflict of Russia, and the period is winding down, soon to be followed by the reemergence of the beast system with the Antichrist at its head.

Mark L said...

My spirit feels KP has the truth of it, especially regarding the era of peace. Only a utopia would have us all agreeing when we are in it. I think it was a gift to the world, not all individual souls. The opposite way of looking at it is we all have to agree before we accept that it has arrived -making heaven a kind of slave to earth.

Beside, a great many do think we saw the period of peace begin after the consecration. Just look at the EWTN article I sent. I also know many who think we did.

Mark L.

Anonymous said...

Hey guys! A lively discussion!!
Michael Patrick said....
Re Mirjana and the parchment with the secrets on it -- if she said something that out of line of what we think we know from various interviews then the Vatican's 3 yr long investigation will flush that out -- and their rulings re Medjugorje should be coming shortly. As well, one of you said -- for them (the 6 visionaries) to fool the entire world -- esp scientists and psychologists who have studied them - means it could only come from one of two places -- God; and thus Mary is really coming to them to call humanity back to her Son (again!) or the devil. If it is of the devil -- then the secrets probably won't happen -- so time will tell. And more then likely we will know in a short time (within 10 yrs or sooner probably - my estimation) - as I've said before -- I think many on this site believe it is right in front of us - world changing events.
If we ponder Fatima -- and the belief of many that it is not over -- that the Triumph has not yet fully occurred -- and at Akita -- approved apparition -- and what our Lady spoke of there - and then Medjugorje -- 10 secrets -- it seems fairly obvious that we are living in a particular moment in the history of the world and the Church -- which connects all the way back to the beginning of the Marian Age - 1830 until now -- particularly pointed out by some of Emmett's writings -- and now just in the last few years - the passing of Gay marriage laws all over the world and now gender white washing. Very interesting that in June Bruce Jenner revealed to the world, himself as Caitlyn Jenner -- showing more then any person ever before him -- other then the male transgender that won the Eurovision song in the last year or two, a time when gender itself is under attack -- in that same time period -- June/July 2015 a statue of satan was unveiled in Detroit - representing a male/female figure -- how could one NOT see the obviousness of what satan is trying to do to us - destroying the lines God has made in gender and in male and female sexuality and the gift of Marriage that God has given us. And various sites have said that Lucia stated that the last attack from satan before he lost his power (the "100 years" he was given) would be against the family.
All of this -- with everything else going on - blatantly shows how satan is trying to cause utter confusion and to destroy "what God has made". For those who wonder why our Lady has come so often -- the reasons continuie to show themselves more and more. (Abortion and the selling of body parts being, I think, the worst of what we are doing). It is fun to discuss all of this -- while we pray deeply for our world.
Michael Patrick

Anonymous said...

KP,

Three sources/statements re Fatima's peace to the world:
https://www.ewtn.com/library/MARY/FIRSTSAT.HTM “... The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to Me, and she will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the WORLD.”


Father Joachin Alonso , Fatima expert, writes: “…we should that Lucia always thought that the ‘conversion’ of Russia is not to be limited to the return of the Russian people to the Orthodox Christian religion, rejected the Marxist atheism of the Soviets, but rather, it refers purely, plainly and simply to the total, integral conversion of Russia to the one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church.” The promise that the Blessed Mother gave involved Russia, “In the end My Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she will be converted and some time of peace will be granted to the WORLD.” . Also, Lucy told Fr. Alonso, the official historian of Fatima, in a little known response: “The final triumph of Mary’s Heart is certain, and it will be definitive. But it will take place ‘in the end,’ that is to say, after a terrible purification of sinful mankind in a baptism of fire, blood and tears”. This devastating statement of Sister Lucy does not take much imagination to perceive. The Consecration will be made AFTER a chastisement essentially saying it has NOT taken place as of yet.


In a July 15, 1946 interview with William Thomas Walsh, Lucy said: "What Our Lady wants, is that the Holy Father and all the bishops consecrate Russia to Her
Immaculate Heart, by a special ceremony. If that consecration is done, the
Holy Virgin will convert Russia and peace will reign over the WORLD. If not,
the errors of Russia will be propagated everywhere."
(William Thomas Walsh, Our Lady of Fatima, pp. 234-235)

If Russia was consecrated and as a result, converted and the claim is that it was , then did the errors of Russia ‘cease’, anywhere??? Do we see communism OR the errors still alive? Atheistic communism still exists in China, Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, and is quickly taking over South America in Bolivia, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Chile etc.

sam

KP said...

None of the quotes you gave from Fatima indicated any sort of golden age where the entire world is Catholic. You're reading that into the text, but nothing in the text even hints towards that.

The very quotes you gave said that there would be peace granted to the world. But you left out the preceding statements-- she promised peace, but peace from what? All sin and all error? No. She was referring to the spreading errors of Russia.

It seems to me that those errors were stopped at the collapse of the Soviet union. The world, which was on the brink of ww3, was granted a period of peace between russia and the world.

We're now entering into a reemergence of the errors of Russia and the period of peace is ending.

This is the only way I can see that you can square the prophecies that 1) the main warning is against the errors of Russia 2) a period of peace with russia will occur and 3) the FINAL BATTLE, the FINAL BATTLE where Satan will suffer his FINAL loss, will be over family and marriage.

If you want to put the period of peace in the future, then that means the fight over marriage and the family isn't actually the FINAL decisive battle, but is at LEAST the 2nd to last battle.

I could very well be wrong, but I see no other way to get around the fact that marriage and the family are the last battle, not the (at least) 2nd to last battle.

Anonymous said...

I think that we are in the major apostasy at this time because the once Christian nations have Catholic majorities that do not attend mass, majorities who think birth control, cohabitation, homosexuality, abortion on demand and euthanasia are okay. I regard those views as apostasy. Currently, in my opinion, those with strong convictions regarding abortion and homosexual unions are being urged to 'neutralize' their language and dialogue. Father Gobbi's locutions clearly identify the times that we live in as the spread of a false Gospel and a false Church. One of his most dramatic locutions the Virgin Mary gave him regarded the meaning of the number of the beast (locution # 407). This would agree with Sister Lucia's comment that the secret of Fatima was associated with Chapter 8 and 13 of the book of revelation http://unveilingtheapocalypse.blogspot.com/2011/08/more-on-third-secret.html
Don't be lulled into thinking that antichrist is in the far future, in my opinion, it may not be so.

Anonymous said...

I never said or implied a 'golden age'. Why the embellishment/red herring. She promised peace, peace to the world. She also did not imply or state otherwise a peace with Russia alone. Peace to the world is just that. She also said that IF the consecration was not done, that Russia would what?? Would spread her errors. Guess what? There is no world peace , thus Russia could not have been consecrated and thus she has not converted. This also means Russia has not stopped spreading her errors. Are you serious? Do you actually think that Russia stopped spreading her errors? Think again KP. Who’s reading into what here?

It is clear what Our Lady meant by conversion per Fr. Alonso’s description.

Peace is the tranquility of order says Augustine. Peace is not just the absence of war. Were there wars after 1984, the supposed year of the ‘consecration’? You bet.
Many,in fact. Would you like a list of ALL the wars and skirmishes? Would those innocent ones involved say that there was any sort of ‘peace’??

Yes, the consecration of the world HAD some benefits. Not many would deny that. Heaven would accept any consecration. Not many would deny that either. But the consecration still did not go according to Mary’s commands. An idea of what the proper kind of consecration would be like was made in Portugal . The consecration of Portugal in ’31 + ’38 had distinct and IMMEDIATE results, a prelude to the promise given by Mary of what would lie ahead if the consecration of Russia and Russia alone happened.

Our Lady NEVER mentioned communism and neither did the church during the last council, when it had a chance. Why not? The greatest threat to the world and to the church in the 20th century and not a word against communism since the council. WHY?

The ‘errors of Russia’ spoken by Our Blessed Mother to the seer Lucia, were spiritual, were about the eternal loss of souls. Can the loss of souls be greater than being limited to communism? How about the religion of democracy, a product of freemasonry? Surely communism isn’t the only bad guy capable of gaining millions of souls to hell. The loss of souls was at the core message of Fatima and it wasn’t communism. Not once was it mentioned by Our Lady.

sam

Mark W said...

KP -

"But throughout history, even the most important prophecies in history-- the messianic prophecies of the OT-- were not understood until well after they were fulfilled. Our track record of fully realizing the meaning of a prophecy WHILE it's happening has been very low."

Fair point, but there's another side to that coin; somebody knew. Even during the OT prophecies, someone understood them clearly enough to recognize them when they happened.

Mark W said...

Sam - It seems to me that this is a distinction without a difference. The errors of Russia seem very tightly connected to atheistic communism, and that in itself is a spiritual threat under a political mask. You seem to be equating capitalism and communism relative to their effect on the spiritual well-being of the people that live under those systems. But why then were the errors of Russia mentioned, and not the errors of the United States?

just my 2 cents worth...

KP said...

Exactly my point Mark W. She pointed out the errors of Russia, not the errors of the USA or France. The errors of France are secularism and the errors of the USA are capitalism.

Mary specifically pointed out the errors of Russia. The entire message was focused on Russia and how the church will overcome those errors.

Let me ask it this way, Sam. Let's say that the USA is at war with ISIS, and it spread into a world war, with ISIS the head of a Muslim block. Mary appeared to you and then said "the errors of ISIS are spreading and terror is all over the world. But don't worry, I'll defeat ISIS and bring peace to the world."

2 days later ISIS disappears and the world war ends. But protestantism and capitalism and Sodomy still exist. Would you ask "where is the promised peace?" or would you say "oh, she was talking about the errors of ISIS being defeated, not the errors of protestantism and sodomy"?

Mark L said...


Either Russia was consecrated, like Sister Lucia herself said, or it was not, and we are deep into conspiracy theories. Personally, I don't do conspiracy and I ignore the trolls who would have it differently.

Therefore, we know that Russia was consecrated.

Mary keeps her word, therefore the period of peace either began already or it did not.

If it did not, how many decades are supposed to go by before it begins? Would Our Lady wait some ambiguous number of decades before ushering in the promised era of peace? Perhaps, but why wait so long? Will it be even *more* stunningly obvious than those of us thought it was who witnessed live on television the destruction of the Berlin Wall? I remember where I was, and with whom, as clearly as 9/11. It was the beginning of a new era, it seemed to us at the time. We were all shocked, all us men in my religious community at the time.

Is it disrespectful to Our Lady to dismiss everything that happened back then as having anything whatsoever to do with the consecration? Likely. Poland certainly didn't.

If the promised era of peace is still in the future, when it occurs, will everyone say, "This is because JPII consecrated Russia back in the mid-80's?" That defies logic.

The most reasonable thing to believe, in my view, for those of us who actually believe what Sr. Lucia said, is that the promised era of peace began when the USSR crumbled into pieces and the freedom of nations was restored. We have had several decades of freedom of USSR repression and now we are seeing it's shadow rise again. It is worth reading histories of what occurred in communist Russia to appreciate just how dramatic and sudden the collapse was, and just how much evil occurred prior to that. Indeed, I'll bet it is only us in the free West who are arguing about whether peace entered in or it did not.

I cannot make history fit better into any other narrative than the one which KP and I are espousing. I'm perfectly willing to have my mind changed.

Perhaps the "period of peace" is being confused with the prophesied Second Pentecost.

Mark L.

Robert Sestan said...

If Era of Peace is as some believe a future event in the course of human history yet to be enacted, I am afraid they are gravely mistaken.

Even the definition of what constitutes and "Era of Peace" cannot be agreed upon or defined, let alone what society and civilization would actually look like during its manifestation.

I believe that the Era of Peace narrative which promotes a future Christian Utopia theme here on Earth, is borne of an underlying deep seated fear against the forthcoming advent of Evil which is perilously enveloping every pore of our society. Th Era of Peace theme provides spiritual balm to those Christians who though prima facie have a deep reverence and faith for God, nonetheless feel a deep spiritual anxiety as the Apostasy deepens.

Era of Peace narrative presents a supernatural hope that alleviates and soothes the anxious minds, hearts and spirits of those believers.

Yet the cup of suffering cannot be avoided. Ultimately we all innately struggle diligently to avoid suffering, in fact we do our utmost NOT to drink from the same bitter cup that our Lord drank from. Th Era of peace instead provides soothing wine and medicated herbs, and pushes the cup of suffering away towards a distant future which conveniently we wont be around to see.

The fact is my dear brothers and sisters in Christ, we are exactly where we need to be in the course of human history. The narrative of the scriptures is unfolding before our very eyes as prophesied by Christ and St John and we must prepare ourselves for our personal Calvary. We are actually Blessed to be living in a time of Apostasy how great is the reward of chastisement, it is so great it brings us to our knees in fervent prayer seeking penance for our sins.It SAVES our souls. Consider the alternative, a prosperous society, with comforts, Utopian brotherhood, with time for vain follies which occupy vain minds pursuing vain activities which renders God irrelevant and hence we condemn ourselves to the loss of eternity in Heaven.

Always remember when all seems lost that Persecution and Chastisement brings us back into the arms of The Holy Trinity. The eternal reward we all seek and the very reason for our existence.

God Bless
Robert

God Bless

Rachmaninov said...

Hi Robert,
I argued in my book "Heralds of the Second Coming" that the popes had ruled out an era of peace within history.Popes Benedict XVI and St. John XXIII both stated that an era of peace within history went against the idea that free will must be available to all humanity until the last day.
In my second book on the Communion of Saints which is in the process of publication, I have returned to the theme in much more detail, specifically concerning the false teaching that Rev 20 refers to a spiritual millennium to come. The reality is that there is no justification for expecting a glorious era of Christianity in the future -however, there must still be a point a divine intervention in which the Jews accept Christ -as st. Bernard said- in a way that is secret in the heart of God for now.
God bless
Stephen Walford

Mark W said...

Stephen - Then how do you reconcile the period of peace mentioned by Mary at Fatima?

I don't buy the millennial idea that so many have fallen into these days. But it's difficult to reconcile Fatima with a nonexistent period of peace.

Do you have a link to the comments from BXVI and John XXIII?

Thanks,

MarkW

Anonymous said...

Strange that the Church approves the Fatima apparitions as being free from doctrinal error i.e. nihil obstat and imprimatur and then includes within the message that this 'error of peace' is pretty much called heresy? Am I wrong here?

sam

Anonymous said...

Someone mentioned they don't do 'conspiracy theories' earlier which made me think of the following apparent contradiction that stood out among others:


Fatima historian named Carlos Evaristo records this encounter with Lucy in 1993:

"Our Lady never requested that Russia be specifically mentioned by name,"
said Sister Lucia. "At the time I didn't even know what Russia was. We thought she was a very wicked woman. What matters is the Pope's intention and the bishops knew the intention the Pope had was to consecrate Russia."

Counter this with the following:

In 'Our Lady of Fatima' (1947), pg. 226; Professor William Thomas Walsh
reports: "Lucy made it plain that Our Lady did not ask for the consecration of the world to Her Immaculate Heart. What She demanded specifically was the consecration of Russia."

•In the book, Vision of Fatima, 1949, page 80; Father Thomas McGlynn reports that Sister Lucy was emphatic at correcting consecration of the world to read consecration of Russia. "No!," Sister Lucy said. "Not the world!
Russia, Russia!"
•Father Umberto Maria Pasquale, S.D.B., had known Sister Lucy since 1939. Up to 1982, he had received 157 letters from her. On May 12, 1982, Father Umberto wrote in L'Osservatore Romano (the Pope's own newspaper) that Our Lady of Fatima never asked for the consecration of the world but only of Russia.
On August 5, 1978, he asked her in person, "Has Our Lady ever spoken to you about the consecration of the world to Her Immaculate Heart? And Sister Lucy replied, "NO, Father Umberto, NEVER! At the Cova da Iria in 1917, Our Lady
promised: 'I shall come to ask for the Consecration of Russia . . .' "

Father Umberto, wanting a written reply to his question, then wrote Sister Lucy a letter. On April 13, 1980, Sister Lucy wrote back: "In replying to your question, I will clarify: Our Lady of Fatima, in Her request, only referred to the Consecration of Russia . . ."

I don't know about you guys but there appears to be some discrepancy here.

sam

Mark L said...


This is a nice succinct summary of what we're all talking about regarding the "era of peace" on SpiritDaily:

http://www.spiritdaily.net/era.htm

And, if the quotes from Sr. Lucia are true, resolves the argument beyond doubt. And it is precisely what we've been saying.

Mark L.

Robert Sestan said...

Hi Stephen

I concur with your sentiments. Especially how the Era of Peace contravenes the idea that free will must be available to all of humanity until the last day. That is a crucial observation which is often overlooked when discussing end time topics.

Off topic for a moment, I am interested to hear or read your views on another matter relating to end times, and that is the events leading up to and including the "Abomination of Desolation" (Mark 13:14-23; Luke 21:20-24) specifically the part

"For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, in so much as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Behold I have told it to you, beforehand"

I have always been intrigued, what kind of deception will be performed by false Christs and false prophets which could deceive even the elect ?(if possible)

There is very little scholarly eschatological literature available that examines the Abomination of Desolation scenario. (Also note this section talks about False Christs and false prophets in the plural,so it is not just exclusively the signs and wonders of a singular Anti Christ which will confound us in the advent of his appearance. It also seems his loyal adjutants will be actively performing signs and wonders before his arrival, I assume in preparation for his unveiling.

What do you speculate that the "great signs and wonders" might look like and in what form they may take based on your own research and studies ?

God Bless
Robert

Anonymous said...

Our Lady’s words stated that one of the main purposes for the consecration of Russia was for the conversion of that nation. We can surmise, then, that once converted, God will use Russia to convert the rest of the world, for it is only then that a ‘period of peace’ will have fertile soil to be established. Although the word “period” is undefined, it seems to refer to an interlude of many decades, if not a hundred years or more. As such, it appears that God will use the ‘period of peace’ to preach the Gospel to the nations and prepare them for His Second Coming (Mt 24:13- 14). But as Scripture also teaches, just prior to the end, the world will fall into utter apostasy as Satan and the Antichrist are loosed for the “little season” (Apoc 20:1-3, 7-8); and then Christ will return and cast Satan and his minions into hell, and begin the New Heaven and New Earth (Apoc
20:9-15).

sam

Mark W said...

Switching topics a bit.

Shmitah update!

A lot of people were expecting a massive collapse of the markets on the 14th. It didn't happen on that particular date, but in the last half of the shmitah year, we have these facts:

- 8th and 10th largest one day drops in DOW history occurred.
- Largest intra-day drop occurred (more than 1000 points on the DOW).
- China's economy has suddenly come off the rails.
- The Shanghai stock index is down 40%.
- The Japanese stock market is down more than 3000 points.
- The German market is down 20%
- The FTSE is down 16%
- French markets are down 18%
- The Indian stock market has dropped more than 4000 points.
- Brazil's economy is in a shambles, and their market has shed more than 11,000 points. President faces impeachment.
- Saudi Arabia issues bonds, some royals openly speak of a coup.
- Credit Suisse admits to liquidity problems caused in part by earlier Greek default and collapse of commodities prices.
- Deutsche Bank admits to liquidity problems caused in part by earlier Greek default and collapse of commodities prices. Posts loss of 6 billion Euros with derivative exposure in excess of 50 trillion Euros (20 times the size of the entire German economy).
- Brazil offers oil leases at highly discounted rates. No one buys.

Total loss in US markets since the market top in May - exceeds $2 trillion.
Total loss in global markets since May - exceeds $5 trillion.

Rachmaninov said...

Mark L,
This is from St. John XXIII radio address Sept 11, 1962: "Good and evil are with us still and will remain with us in the future. This is because the free will of man will always have the freedom to express itself and the possibility of going astray."
St. John Paul also said: "As long as this world endures, history will always be the theatre of the clash between God and Satan, between good and evil, between grace and sin, between life and death". Homily for Feast of Assumption, 15 August 1998.
In terms of the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart meaning, the popes Pius XII, St. John Paul II and Benedict XVI all equate it with the coming of the Kingdom which can only occur at the end of the world-therefore the triumph in its ultimate meaning is the second coming of Jesus. I cant see how a triumph can be anything other than a definitive victory. The idea of a spiritual millennium era of peace can only really be seen as a truce for a time .That is no triumph.
Robert, to be honest I am not sure; I take a longer term view concerning false christs and false prophets etc meaning that it is something that has been with us since the beginning of the Church. But I think those contemporary false prophets are those who would water down doctrines in a subtle way- a feel good way where sin is no longer sin- a false compassion and false mercy. I think this is how whole swathes of catholics have abandoned the faith, because the preaching has left them with a church that acts more like a social worker rather than the sacrament of salvation. St. Paul talked of the time to come when people would have itchy ears for these false teachings -in fact Pope Benedict said in 2012 that this passage of St. Paul was being fulfilled today. That is why I hold the view that we are in the great apostasy now and that the foundations are being laid now for the coming of the Antichrist -but how this all happens I think is still shrouded in mystery.
God bless
stephen

Robert Sestan said...


Stephen

Those contemporary false prophets you are referring to, as those watering down doctrines in a subtle way are certainly active within the Church, but I don't know if that could be constituted as great "signs" and "wonders" that would deceive if possible the elect. But then again, who knows, as you say it is shrouded in deep mystery and only after the Abomination event unravels will we be able to look back in hindsight and say "aah"..now it makes sense.

I do subscribe to your belief that we are at the beginning of the great Apostasy,to use a pregnancy analogy, I think we are spiritually in the first trimester stage of the advent or birth of the New Age.

God Bless
Robert

Rachmaninov said...

Hi Robert,
sorry, I forgot about the great signs. I would certainly suggest the miracles of the sun like at Fatima and the authentic apparitions of Our Lady would be part of that, and also the event predicted by Jesus to St. Faustina (the Cross in the sky lighted shortly before the last day). Obviously there must be more to come. Interestingly, Bl. Paul VI said that the Fatima miracle of the sun seemed like a forerunner of the last judgment scene, with the sun (Jesus) descending while the gathered thousands represent humanity at the judgment.
God bless
Stephen

Anonymous said...

Stephen, I think Robert had a question about Rev. 13 :13-14 "It performed great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in the sight of everyone. It deceived the inhabitants of the earth with the signs it was allowed to perform in the sight of the first beast, telling them to make an image for the beast who had been wounded by the sword and revived." Do you have any idea based on your research about what those signs could be? The rain inundations that are taking place recently like in Japan, South Carolina and in Texas (last spring) are something we haven't experienced to this extreme degree. The tv news channel CNN is reporting that it is linked with climate change, but I do not think so. I think it is part of tribulation that is getting attributed to climate change to deceive people into giving up more of their freedom. December climate change meetings in Paris will be discussing all of the weather and policy for people regarding the weather.

Mark W said...

Anon - I live in a suburb of Dallas. Some of the floods last spring were within 1/4 mile of my house. While they're not exactly common in our area, they're hardly unprecedented. The creek system around my house floods like that ever five years or so. Some areas west of us had water on the ground for a good bit longer than we did, but it really wasn't as dramatic as some made out.

Holy Cross said...

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Emmett O'Regan said...

Thanks Stephen! I'm really looking forward to your new book btw!

We will never be completely spared from evil in the vale of tears. Evil will always exist in the world. The following words from the Catechism come to mind:
"Though already present in his Church, Christ's reign is nevertheless yet to be fulfilled "with power and great glory" by the King's return to earth. This reign is still under attack by the evil powers, even though they have been defeated definitively by Christ's Passover. Until everything is subject to him, "until there be realized new heavens and a new earth in which justice dwells, the pilgrim Church, in her sacraments and institutions, which belong to this present age, carries the mark of this world which will pass, and she herself takes her place among the creatures which groan and travail yet and await the revelation of the sons of God...
According to the Lord, the present time is the time of the Spirit and of witness, but also a time still marked by "distress" and the trial of evil which does not spare the Church and ushers in the struggles of the last days. It is a time of waiting and watching...(CCC 671-672)

Mark L said...

Emmett and others-

Unreal. October 12, 2017, massive asteroid, to pass dangerously close to earth, distance still unknown. Seriously? October 12, 2017?

http://phys.org/news/2015-04-asteroid-tc4-earth-october.html

These coincidences are becoming enough to shake even a cynic like me. Wow. *blink* !


Mark L.

bestofall said...

I spent a few years assembling the activities of God BC vs AD and discovered a repetition of events, 6 cycles BC and 6 cycles AD which repeat historic events line by line.. and now we are going through those same 6 cycles in reverse, where we will find the world much like it was when Jesus bodily left us. You can get details from my booklet "Church-Coming of Age". The pattern agrees with everything in the article. The Minor Apostasy and Minor Chastisement relate to Psalm 83 and Muslim uprisings in Europe out of which will emerge a Holy Roman Empire victorious over Islam. Then a short era of peace will see the seat of authority hi-jacked by Anti-Christ who turns it into a much bigger and stronger Roman Empire. Then you have the Ezekial 38 war. The latter Empire results in the Major Apostasy and Major Chastisement. For details email me at bestall81@yahoo.ca Thank you God. - Patrick

Anonymous said...



http://www.sign.org/videos/important-synod-before-the-warning

re garabandal

Gus Barbarigo said...

There is a frightening rumor: "According to Andrea Gagliarduchi, the Bishop of Rome may well disband the CDF and give doctrinal and pastoral authority to the bishops of each individual country."

http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2015/10/archbishop-fulop-kocsis-synod-must-name.html at comment by Robbie on 10-13-15, 11:40AM.

If the rumor were to prove true, as a practical matter, it would be impossible for any pope to defend the dogma and practice of the faith. The unity of the Catholic Church would essentially be destroyed, as no pope would be able to guarantee the faith as it is lived (or not lived) in various dioceses around the world. The rumor brings to mind:

"In Portugal, the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved etc."

It is a horrifying concept, that The Fatima and Akita prophecies seem be unfolding now. If Pope Francis is really devoted to Our Lady, how in the world could he let these things happen?

Anonymous said...

The word "RUMOR" appears three times in the above comment...all I need to know.

Anonymous said...

There is evidence that Pope Francis may shift power from the CDF to Bishops' conferences. http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2015/10/doctrinal-devolution-to-bishops.html
Pope Francis already endorsed the idea of "devolution" or "delegation" of doctrinal authority in nos. 32-33 of his Apostolic Exhortation Evangelii Gaudium, the true blueprint for his entire pontificate"

From the encyclical:

32. Since I am called to put into practice what I ask of others, I too must think about a conversion of the papacy. It is my duty, as the Bishop of Rome, to be open to suggestions which can help make the exercise of my ministry more faithful to the meaning which Jesus Christ wished to give it and to the present needs of evangelization. Pope John Paul II asked for help in finding “a way of exercising the primacy which, while in no way renouncing what is essential to its mission, is nonetheless open to a new situation”. We have made little progress in this regard. The papacy and the central structures of the universal Church also need to hear the call to pastoral conversion. The Second Vatican Council stated that, like the ancient patriarchal Churches, episcopal conferences are in a position “to contribute in many and fruitful ways to the concrete realization of the collegial spirit”.Yet this desire has not been fully realized, since a juridical status of episcopal conferences which would see them as subjects of specific attributions, including genuine doctrinal authority, has not yet been sufficiently elaborated. Excessive centralization, rather than proving helpful, complicates the Church’s life and her missionary outreach.


33. Pastoral ministry in a missionary key seeks to abandon the complacent attitude that says: “We have always done it this way”. I invite everyone to be bold and creative in this task of rethinking the goals, structures, style and methods of evangelization in their respective communities. A proposal of goals without an adequate communal search for the means of achieving them will inevitably prove illusory. I encourage everyone to apply the guidelines found in this document generously and courageously, without inhibitions or fear. The important thing is to not walk alone, but to rely on each other as brothers and sisters, and especially under the leadership of the bishops, in a wise and realistic pastoral discernment.

Anonymous said...

The Apostasy of the West is accelerating, most pronounced among its youth.

Less than 1/4 of UK young adults aged 18-24 in the UK consider themselves Christian.
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/06/24/british-youth-reject-religion/

The Millennial generation of the US has a sizable portion (35%) who profess their religion as 'nothing in particular' or atheism/agnosticism.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/05/12/millennials-increasingly-are-driving-growth-of-nones/

Will the Christians in that generation pass on the faith to their children? For those those that do, is it a faith that is from the child's emphatic 'yes' or because the parents want to check off social boxes. In a very critical homily some months back, our deacon railed against the parents in our middle-class parish who were more interested in the preparation for the major sacraments (baptism, first communion, confirmation) as a check off box as opposed to the child's faith formation and trust in our Lord. Focusing on outward signs and appearances versus living the faith. Judging by the Pew poll in the link above, the gospel seed sewn in the US is falling on rocky ground. The clergy has generally been accommodating the post-modern world for several generations now and this path has led many into separation away from Jesus. The new god for the 21st century is technology and the new Sabbath is 'Sunday Funday', at least in the West. Emit, your blog is about the Eschaton and we are not far from it as the faith dwindles within the next three or four generations. Man wants to be a god on his own accord, not needing or believing in his Creator.

Anonymous said...

When Evangelii Gaudium was published in November 2013, we at Rorate immediately grasped the central importance of this passage, which is why we chose to highlight it. The reality is that for all the talk of "conspiracies" and "muddling through" in this pontificate, Francis and his closest advisers (Cardinals Maradiaga and Abp. Tucho Fernandez in particular) have been nothing if not clear about their intentions for "deep, total and irreversible" change in the Church. This passage in EG could not be any clearer about the direction where Francis wants the Church to go.


If ever a measure of doctrinal authority were to be devolved to the bishops' conferences, then Rome would be faced with a never-ending battle to regulate, limit or claim back that authority. The damage to the papacy's authority and the chaos that would spread throughout the universal Church are too terrible to contemplate. If we were talking here of local Churches deeply rooted in Tradition and jealous in guarding their ancient theological, liturgical and canonical heritage then there would be much less disquiet (even though the idea of doctrinal "devolution" would still be thoroughly unacceptable from a traditional Catholic point of view). Unfortunately, a genuine sense of Tradition has largely disappeared in our Church, and any "devolution" of "doctrinal authority" will most certainly result in numerous hierarchies hastening all the more to be guided by the spirit of the world.




It is the height of irony for Catholic apologists and commentators to continue to be silent in the face of this obvious attack on the authority of the Apostolic See and the unity of the universal Church, due precisely to their misguided sense of "loyalty" to the papacy and the desire to foster "unity".

Perhaps and just maybe this pope will see the judgment he has made and reverse his positions per Marie Julie Jahenny's vision.

Anonymous said...


eyes that do not see............

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2015/10/another-blockbuster-article-from-neil.html#more

Just Substitute "Francis" for "Paul VI"



chris

Anonymous said...

This is great to see that you now believe the "Age of Peace" or "Age of Mary" is YET TO COME and we're not already living in it. Yuor previous posts saying we are already living in the "age of peace" actually call our Lady a liar.
This is great that you have changed your opinion from your previous posts but then you go completely off the rails by telling us

"It is then that the peoples of the world will be forced to either pay homage to the Beast of the Apocalypse, or face the period of open persecution and martyrdom foreseen the Third Secret of Fatima, which takes place during the Final Passover of the Church:"

Wut?

Sr. Lucia, the actua one from pre 1960 days said the secret was for the people (not the bishops and hierarchy) and was to be read in 1960. The 3rd secret is about the apostasy from THE TOP of the Church which occurred starting with Vatican II in 1960. This is what leads us TO the "minor chastisement" which precedes the age of peace.

By the way, here is the 3rd secret as it was helped to be released (with padded extra words removed, thus the accurate 3rd secret) by Cardinal Ottaviani. Malachi Martin confirmed much of this in his audio interviews. This message Lucia confirmed is for the people, we were being warned about being led astray by the hierarchy of the Church. Notice it's essentially the same message as Akita and others. Notice also it mentions the 'very top" of the Church under control of Satan, it doesn't say "a pope under the control of satan". Read what you want into that about the legitimacy of the man currently occupying the Chair of Peter.


"A great chastisement will fall on the entire human race; not today as yet, not tomorrow, but in the second half of the twentieth century.
No longer does order reign anywhere and Satan will reign over the highest places directing the course of events. He (Satan) really will succeed in infiltrating to the top of the Church. Also for the Church a time of Her greatest trials will come. Cardinals will oppose Cardinals; Bishops will oppose Bishops and Satan will march amid their ranks, and in Rome there will be changes. What is rotten will fall, and what will fall will never rise again. The Church will be darkened and the world deranged by terror.
A great war will break out within the second half of the Twentieth Century, fire and smoke will fall from Heaven, the water of the oceans will become vapors and the foam will rise up flooding and sinking everything, millions and millions of people will die by the hour and the survivors will envy the dead.
Death will reign everywhere for the errors committed by the foolish and by the partisans of Satan, who, then and only then, will reign over the world. At last, those who will survive all of these events will once more proclaim God and His Glory and serve Him like before, when the world was not as corrupted."

This message is about the time we're living in since Vatican 2, it's not describing the final persecution of Antichrist which only comes AFTER the "age of Mary".

Anonymous said...

By the way, don't bother to mention that the "SECOND HALF OF THE 20TH CENTURY HAS COME AND GONE" Our Lady is holding back the arm of her Son be thankful we've been given this much time to repent

KP said...

If this is just the "minor chastisement," and we still have some long period of peace before Satan is finally unleashed, centuries from now... then please explain why the message you pasted from Mary says:

"Death will reign everywhere for the errors committed by the foolish and by the PARTISANS OF SATAN, who, THEN AND ONLY THEN, will reign over the world."

So is Mary wrong? She says this is the ONLY time period in which Satan's partisans will reign over the earth.... but you think Satan's partisans are only going to really rule another 1000 years from now?

So either you are wrong or Mary is wrong, but you can't both be right...

Anonymous said...

"So either you are wrong or Mary is wrong, but you can't both be right" It's Blessed Virgin Mary to you KP. It's obvious from your that comment you're a protestant biblo-only solo scriptura believin' heretic. Please go read Luke 1:48 or has your protestant sect edited that out of your bible? By the way, this is a Catholic oriented forum so why are you here?

Who said the "period of peace" will be long? Tell me where in my post above I said that please. The incoherence of your post is almost more than I'm even bothered to answer.

KP said...

Lol. I'm an orthodox catholic. I find it hilarious that you insist that one must always use the phrase "blessed virgin" in front of the name "Mary" in order to be catholic. Maybe you should tell that to St Thomas Aquinas. He wrote the following in the summa theologica, and this is an exact quote: "the sword signifies Mary's prudence which took note of the heavenly mystery"

I guess Aquinas wasn't a real catholic like you. Lol

Oh, wait, you must not be a real catholic yourself either, since you wrote "the age of mary" rather than "the age of the Blessed Virgin Mary." Lol. I guess that makes you a protestant.

Lastly, you never addressed my argument. You just went on a tirade of insults-- which makes sense when your argument got destroyed and you had nothing to respond with.

Let me repeat it, and please address the points: You had said that we're now in the period of a minor chastisement, followed by an "age of Mary" (pffft... protestant), and afterwards satan will have his final unleashing in through the antichrist.

Yet the very quote you gave me from Fatima said that now and only now is Satan reigning overy the world.

That means either her apparition was wrong, you are wrong, or the Age of Mary already happened. But you can't put the Age of Mary sometime in the future BEFORE the final antichrist and also have the quote "Satan now and only now reigning overy the world" both be true.

This holds true even if you want to put the Age of Mary or the period of peace as only a century or whatever, rather than the 1000 years mentioned in scripture. You still contradict Fatima, which said "now and only now" is satan reigning over the world.

Checkmate. Discussion over.

Emmett O'Regan said...

Anonymous, your tone comes across as aggressive and hostile. You should put a bit more thought into how you word things, otherwise people are just going to take you for a troll. As I've pointed out several times before, the idea of a future 1000 year reign of peace is millenarianism, plain and simple. Millenarianism is not only condemned by the Catechism, the idea of a future millennial reign of Christ on earth is also condemned by both the doctors of the Church (specifically Sts. Jerome and Augustine), and the Nicene Creed, to which the words "whose kingdom shall have no end" was added at the First Council of Constantinople in 381, with the specific intention to counter the millenarian idea of a 1000 year reign of peace. It is taken from the words of Dan 7:27: "his kingdom shall be an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.’ Think about this the next time you recite the Creed, and if you don't accept this teaching, then stop reciting it.

Anonymous said...

Emmett,

Is it your understanding that the Fatima vision of 1917 was the only approved part of the total Fatima package and not anything following?

sam

Mark W said...

People - Don't feed the troll! C'mon, this one is obvious.

KP said...

Mark W, you're right. I should just have ignored them.

Emmett O'Regan said...

No Sam, I think the Tuy apparitions are key to understanding the Secrets as a whole. In the second edition of my book that I'm working on, I hope to show how the 1929 Tuy apparition gives us an insight into the meaning of the Third Secret itself. I've already covered on the blog how the 1944 Tuy apparition also provides an insight into the Third Secret, and what will happen when the angel with the flaming sword strikes the earth. All this will also be covered in the second edition.

Mark W said...

KP - you can ignore them or roast them on a spit. Personally, I prefer the later, but they scatter like cockroaches when you shine a light on them and are hard to hit.

Mark W said...

Emmett - when is the second edition due? I'm definitely getting a couple of copies (for myself and others).

Emmett O'Regan said...

Thanks Mark! I thought I could have had it finished by October. But there is a substantial amount of new material, and the amount of stuff I feel I should include just keeps growing and growing. The way its looking now, it might be Christmas or the New Year before I can get it finished. Then it will be back to work on the follow up.

Anonymous said...

Emmett,
"
In this article you'll find ANDREA TORNIELLI states this: "... Similarly, in the case of the Fatima apparitions of 1917, the Church approved these but not those which followed, along with the revelations that Sister Lucia dos Santos has continued to have."

http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/francesco-francis-francisco-medjugorje-medjugorje-medjugorje-41662/

I will try contacting him.

sam

Emmett O'Regan said...

I wouldn't read too much into this Sam. In 1930, the Bishop of Fatima formally approved the 1917 apparitions as well as the cult of Fatima. Although no specific mention was made of the later apparitions, they are in fact part of the secret itself. Our Lady had stated in the Second Secret that: "I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of reparation on the First Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church." Our Lady did as promised, and appeared to Sr. Lucia later to ask for the establishment of the First Saturday devotion at Pontevedra in 1925 and the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart at Tuy in 1929. These apparitions all part and parcel of the same package. It would just be nit-picking to reject the later apparitions solely because they weren't specifically mentioned by the Bishop of Fatima in 1930. It is only during these later apparitions that we find details such as that the consecration of Russia must be made in unison with the bishops of the world. To reject them would be to reject a central aspect of the entire cult of Fatima itself - which is formally approved, not only at the level of the bishopic, but by the Vatican. No comparison can be made here to what may or may not happen concerning Church approval of Medjugorje, which is a completely different kettle of fish to Fatima.

Anonymous said...

Emmet and everyone
Can't wait for your new book/version ! Will you have an article on here to give us a taste of what's coming? and an official release date!?! That would be great!
Will you be interweaving what's going on with the Synod and the fallout - "decentralization" of the Authority of the Pope etc? in the new version of the book? Or will you have finished the new version by the time all of this possibly plays out over November/December?
What do you think of the possibility that we may be living in the time of the "2 Popes" from Blessed Ann Catherine Emmerich's visions? and what's going on with the possible division in the Church?
We all live in an AMAZING time - and a time full of responsibility on our part!
Michael Patrick

Anonymous said...

Emmett,

Thanks for this. It would have been very upsetting IF it were true. It was something that I had never once encountered by anyone. That link was provided to me with other links in hopes of trying to discourage me of the Fatima belief. Their angle was from the orthodox view, which you know to be anti-Fatima and not exactly pro roman catholic. Though , I am very surprised that a 'catholic' writer such as Tornielli would phrase that statement within his article. It's as if he was trying to import a particular anti Fatima bias, judging by the way the Church has so far not taken Fatima as seriously as Our Lady commanded and seeing as this apparition did come from heaven, made me think maybe he was correct.

sam

Anonymous said...



Professor KP, I'm glad your reading skills are up to par "You still contradict Fatima, which said "now and only now" is satan reigning over the world." Is that what it says? Because if I scroll up I read that it says this
"the partisans of Satan, who, then and only then, will reign over the world".

Question Professor: In the time of Anti Christ who will rule? Antichrist or "the partisans of Satan" Probably Anti Christ no? Is Anti Christ the same as the "partisans of Satan?"?

Oh, btw, thanks for bringing up Saint Thomas Aquinas, one of my favorite saints, I have made a pilgrimage to his resting place in Toulouse, it's a bit irreverent in a secular college campus setting but that's another discussion. Apparently had you read the Summa Theologica a bit more closely you would also have read that the saint rejected the Immaculate Conception which was later declared a dogma of the faith. Even saints can be wrong and that gives us all hope but thanks for your scholarly wisdom on Saint Thomas.

Now, again I ask the simple question, who said the "age of peace" would be 1000 years or even a long period of time? It suuure sounds lie to me that yo have some strong protestant "rapture" leanings? Heck, I'd be willing to bet you have the CBN channel on right now.

KP said...

Lol. You're ridiculous anonymous. The sentence preceding "then and only then" refers to the second half of the 20th century. Likewise, the larger message talks about russia and the in-fighting between bishops.

It's no longer 1917, but we're well into the conflict described. So its no longer "then" but "now."

KP said...

The rest of your comment is ridiculous and angry. I suppose I would be angry if I got completely refuted, too. I guess I can't blame you.

Anonymous said...

So you can't answer the question then KP? Who told you the "age of peace" would last 1000 years or even a long time? I posted my initial valid and relevant opinion in reply to the author of this post/blog, you then inserted yourself into the argument with zero facts or relevant citations.

1917? what are you talking about?, goodness man, get your thoughts together. The message above was not even written down until 1943 specifically to be released to the people in 1960. These are facts, not opinions

So for the last time, who said the period of peace would be 1000 years? You inserted yourself into this debate and made that absurd statement, give us one credible source that said it would a "long period of time, 1000 etc)

Marianne said...

According to Yague the Warning arrives November 20, 2016, and the Miracle will appear on April 13, 2017. We are living today the end of times, which are possessed by the evil one. It is Armageddon, not the Apocalypse that the world is experiencing. We are not in the final judgment. When this Battle of Armageddon ends, we will have a time in which God will reign. This peace is about a world that finally glorifies God through love. It will become a new time for mankind. but we have quite a few struggles to overcome in order to get there. The "mystic" Charliejohnston.org explains an interesting scenario of events.

KP said...

Anonymous, you need to calm down. I know people get angry when their arguments get shot down, but at least try to keep the appearance of keeping it together.

I already said that my refutation applies whether or not you mean a literal 1000 year period or a shorter symbolic period of peace. I already dealt with that objection. Your response makes no sense.

The 1943 message was obviously still dealing with the overall, original Fatima message-- i.e. Russia and the conflict within the church. Again, your response makes no sense.

Perhaps you need to either tone down on the anger or you need to go join a group of trolls under another nice new bridge. I hear there are a lot of trolls on the protestant end times blogs. We're not looking for new trolls here. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

America is behind this

I will enter into judgment against them concerning my inheritance,
my people Israel,
for they scattered my people among the nations
and divided up my land.
Joel 3:2

Continents with disappear etc

then will be the period of peace

Marianne said...

What do you mean America is behind this? Do you believe Joel 3:2 pertains to the wars of the Middle East that the U.S has entered?

Anonymous said...

Marianne,
Who is Yague? And what are the scenario of events as described by Charlie Johnson? Can you explain here? Thanks!
And guys -- lets remember - in the midst of our arguments --that ( I think ) we're all on the same team -- and we may argue over varying viewpoints as to what things mean -- but we are all hoping for and waiting eagerly for God to clean house and renew everything. Its the same when people argue Medjugorje vs Fatima. I never understood that. Its the same woman who has come to both (if you believe in Medj) our Mother -- saying the same thing - 'I love you, return to my Son, pray and do penance, My Son is about to clean the Church and the world - decide for God now".
Prayer!
Michael Patrick

Anonymous said...



maryanne;

hi! I enjoy your participatory remarks in this blog.

Our government is the main force behind dividing Jeruselum. Although now,I don't think there is an america per se. We are the suppliers of young men to do the bankers et al dirty workfor their one world new order.

I will make jeruselum a burdensome stone........

Its getting closer!!

Emmett O'Regan said...

Sorry for not replying earlier Michael Patrick. I was distracted by something I am writing about. The way things are going, it is more likely to be December or the New Year before I can finish the second edition. The original text is being extended considerably. I will make sure to put up a post here summarizing what the new version will be covering.

Anonymous said...



interesting israeli stuff

http://jimbakkershow.com/video/the-prophetic-jubilee-mysteries-day-3/

just chasing the bread crumbs--not advocating anything

chris

Marianne said...

Michael Patrick...Antonio Yague is a Spanish astronomer that believes the 6th seal has been opened. And Charlie Johnston is a mystic from Colorado who says the Warning and Miracle are around the corner. Johnston predicts that there will be no 2016 elections.

Anonymous said...

Marianne and Emmett

Thanks! both of you for writing in response -- its good to be connected with people of the same mind at this time -- we are going to have A LOT of work to do when the events - that are going to shake people - begin -- because most have no idea of what's coming or why. And I think most of us agree that the "events" whatever they may be - are at the door.
I find it extremely interesting the our Lady said in August - Medjugorje "you are in a moment of trial".
In other words "here we go". And I believe that dates play a role in what God does - so with the 100th anniversary of Fatima coming -- I would be incredibly surprised if NOTHING happens between now and October 2017 -- and by nothing I mean, if one of the major events foretold does not occur - which would begin the triumph of her heart and start the end of the time that satan has been given - the end of his "100 years".
Marianne - What else does Johnson predict exactly besides saying that there will be no 2016 elections -- did he say he "thinks" there won't be 2016 elections or has he stated unequivocally that there won't be? Thanks! United in prayer!
Michael Patrick

Mark W said...

Marianne,

I'm no mystic (as you well know), but I have been predicting that we will have no 2016 elections for a couple of years...purely for secular reasons. I've listened to all of Yague's videos - a couple of times, actually. I think he may be on to something, but I'm not entirely sold.

Honestly, the Republic is gone and has been for quite some time. We're in a shell of what we once were, but the Republic is gone.

MarkW

Anonymous said...

Marianne
How did you find out about what Yague thinks regarding the warning and the miracle -- is there something on the internet? Thanks.
Michael Patrick

Mark W said...

Michael Patrick -

Check YouTube. Search for "Yague sacred astronomy" and you should find him. There are 8 videos in English. I'll be interested to see what you think.

MarkW

Marianne said...

Yes I agree with you Mark. Our nation is no longer a republic. It hasn't been one for quite some time. I find what Charlie says about Russia and China to be accurate. We are in trouble. But few care. I watch Bloomberg, Fox Business, and CNBC for the latest news, but they are only concerned about how well the tech companies are doing. Our debt and deficit means nothing to them. It makes no sense to me. So when I read Charlie's predictions, I finally found someone who gets it. Michael, you can google Charliejohnston.org, and you can join motherofgod.com for more info.

Anonymous said...


* * *

What about the Last Four Months of 2015?

The only thing that I am aware of from the more highly credible sources, namely in this case, from the apparitions to the young, uneducated children of Garabandal, particularly Conchita, is what she was told by the Virgin Mary: that there would come an Important Synod, after which would come the Warning to the whole human race on earth. It seems to me that the upcoming synod on the family, October 4 to October 25, 2015 is that “Important Synod” after which will come the Warning. However, we also know from the Garabandal apparitions that the Communist Tribulation, led by Russia is to come before the Warning. In addition, Our Lady told Conchita that the Pope would go to Russia, to Moscow and that upon his return to Rome (or on the way) the Communist Tribulation would begin “suddenly and unexpectedly.”

The purpose of the Pope going to Russia, to Moscow would be to meet with the Orthodox Patriarch. Patriarch Kirill is the present Patriarch of Moscow and all Russia. His subordinate is Archbishop and Metropolitan Hilarion. Last June (2015) Putin went to the Vatican to meet Pope Francis. Also in June, Archbishop Hilarion went twice to meet with Pope Francis. These meetings between Hilarion and Pope Francis involved the preparations between Patriarch Kirill and Pope Francis, supposedly in a neutral location. No date has been set as far as I know. Even if they do meet in a neutral place, the Pope may still visit Moscow. The prediction about the Pope visit to Moscow also includes the immediate, ‘Sudden and Unexpected” beginning of the Tribulation of Communism.

Mark L said...


When you are doing text dumps from other web sites it is appropriate to quote the web site. Your dump is from this web site (which is now outdated):

http://www.sign.org/articles/expectations-for-the-coming-months-of-2015-2016

Are you Thomas Fahy?

Why not at least give a first name.

I always look forward to new posts by Emmett. We generally have three or four good days to discuss his content before the wave of trolls and anonymous posters and large dumps of texts from other sites come tromping in.

It's like the circus, which, seeing its crowd has moved elsewhere, pulls up its tent stakes, packs everything up and moves to a new town. Then it unpacks everything, sets up the big tent and marches out its fire-jugglers, seeking a fresh audience to alarm, deceive and entertain. "Predictions! Get your predictions! New ones daily!" Elephants, clowns and sword-swallowers.

Mark L.

Anonymous said...

Mary said....

I don't mind the Garabandal prophecies but I do mind Charlie Johnston and the failed Locutions to the world locutionist. In my opinion, Charlie Johnston is a failed mystic because he said that Christmas of 2013 would be the last normal Christmas. Of course in his Charlie Johnston way, he rationalizes away this failed prediction. It is scary the number of adherents he has and anywhere they can spread his website, they do.

Anonymous said...

Anon, @ 9:13

Good to know. I haven't heard of this Charlie Johnston but I guess if you seen one, seen them all. I never understood either the need to chase every little John Doe seer out there. As if anyone would really recognize a honest to goodness one. To rely upon these visionaries to sustain one's faith is well, not really Catholic.

Marianne said...

So you find that during the Christmas of 2013 the beheadings of our Christian brothers and sisters in the Middle East to have been merry? Charlie may not be correct all the time on his intuition, but his geopolitical analysis is spot on. Sorry, but would rather listen to this dude over any of our government officials any day.

Marianne said...

Correction: After the Christmas of 2013 was when the mass genocide of Christians in the Middle East began. Charlie was right after all.

Anonymous said...

Marianne, that is part of Charlie's rationalization that Christmas of 2013 was the last normal Christmas. We could say that Christmas of 1940 was the last normal Christmas because during the Holocaust our Jewish brothers and sisters were being exterminated. If Charlie is going to make a grandiose prediction like Christmas of 2013 would be the last normal Christmas, then a large percentage of the people would have to perceive it that way. Does your priest and bishop agree that Christmas of 2013 was the last normal Christmas? Hopefully, Bishop Aquila will help us discern about Charlie Johnston very soon and make a statement regarding his predictions and what faithful Catholics should do about his prognostications.

Mark W said...

From another side of the same coin...

I was a member at motheofgod.com for about a year. I ended my membership there 2 or 3 years ago. What I encountered there was not healthy. I made the mistake of violating the unwritten cardinal rule of questioning things; specifically the authenticity of Garabandal. I was even presented with "evidence" that was fraudulent (a supposed copy of the letter from Padre Pio to Conchita that was an obvious forgery). There was almost no discernment and a general acceptance of just about everything with the label "mystical" (even some of the more notorious false prophecies were accepted in very general terms).

There are some very sincere and good-hearted people there, but there is also an element of darkness. If anyone wants to go there, that's entirely their business. But if you do so, discern what you encounter there very carefully. Not everything you encounter there will be bad, but there is a backbone of belief that I simply couldn't abide with.

And Marianne - you and I have had this conversation before here. No need to do it again, really. But my experience there was so dark that I feel obligated to post a warning whenever I see someone advocate that particular site. Nothing personal to you, and I always like your posts here. But my personal experience there was not positive.

Anonymous said...

Mark W, Marianne and Co
Thanks for the heads up Mark. Yes, agreed. Although, personally I do believe that Medjugorje is real (and more then likely Garabandal -- time will tell on both -- bc they have both stated they will publicly reveal, days in advance, certain event(s) ) -- I agree that after that you have many, unfortunately, running around believing every person on earth who says they hear or see our Lady or our Lord (or both!).
Re: Charlie -- for the most part -- the good thing is - that he stays neutral on many things and states that the most important thing -- within all revelations (private) is to do the right thing at all times (the Will of God). If an apparition or locution is real or not - if we are doing what the Church teaches - Sacraments, prayer, charity, humility - then we can't go wrong.
If Charlie is stating that everything will be completed and the full triumph of our Lady will have arrived by the end of 2017 -- if that's what he means - then we will know in short order if he's the real deal or not.
Personally - I believe what many of you probably do. Which is - it seems anyway, that by the end of 2017 we will have had at least one major event occur (the 1st secret of Medjugore - I guess what many would call "the Warning" -- the 6 in Medj state that the first 3 secrets are 'warnings' to awaken humanity).
With that event - the "100 years" that satan has apparently had, will be over -- that 1st event will be the death knell of his time -- and with each succeeding event (9 others if Medjugorje is to be believed) then his power and the darkness he has sown, will become weaker and weaker -- while at the same time -- the triumph of Mary's heart grows until after the 10th event - the fullness of her Triumph will have arrived.
And so -- if an event or events occurs by the end of 2017 - then the end of satan's time will have arrived and the Triumph of the Immaculate heart will also have begun.
Time will tell.
There are some who believe the warning will occur on October 18 2016 -- interesting because one of Mary's major messages in Garabandal came on October 18.
And they also think then, that the 'miracle' would occur in Garabandal on April 13, 2017.
We shall see. I am interested in what all of you think re: any of this.
United in prayer.
Michael Patrick

Mark W said...

Michael Patrick -

Here's my take.

First off, I don't accept Medjugorje. I've looked into it, but it just doesn't seem legit relative to other locutions by Our Lady and Our Lord.

Second, I'm highly skeptical of Garabandal. The "four more popes" comment, and Joey Lomingino are two huge hurdles. Comments made by those supposedly close to Conchita are another. However, Garabandal follows a pattern of evidence that is more closely aligned with other apparitions, and this alignment is enough to make me hope that Garabandal is true. Yes, that's right, I'm skeptical, but I hope it's real. I'm hopeful because the message is essentially hopeful. But currently, my skepticism is far stronger than my hope.

I personally think that 2017 will be either the end, or the beginning of the end. But there are a lot of days left between now and then, so many things can happen.

Yague offers this timeline:

10 March 14 - Covenant of Mary
28 Sept 15 - Last of Blood Moon Tetrad
24 Aug 16 - Gog invasion (Russia invades Europe)
18 Nov 16 - 6th Seal opened
13 April 17 - Sign of the Woman / Miracle of Garabandal.
31 July 17 - Abomination of Desolation
21 Dec 20 - End of Time

Now, I don't advocate Yague's timeline. I'm just offering it as a discussion point. I do think it's interesting, but it relies heavily on Garabandal and a very thin connection to Garabandal at that. In his favor, he points out that the 13 April 2017 date for the Miracle of Garabandal is a once in every 10,000 years combination of events. He also points out the 3.5 lunar years between the Abomination of Desolation and the end of time in 2020. His work on the tilma from Guadalupe is also quite cool and well thought out. I like his stuff. But to the negative he relies heavily on Garabandal and the description of Mary at Garabandal. He also seems to adhere to Anglo-Israelism, which has a lot of flaws.

Personally, I think the 100 years of Satan are over, and we're in what equates to the period of peace that Mary mentioned at Fatima. It's taken a long time for me to get to that conclusion, but that's where I am today...and I reserve the right to be somewhere else tomorrow.

MarkW

Anonymous said...

Mark W

Thanks for replying. I like your "I reserve the right to be somewhere else tomorrow" Good humility -- all of us could be wrong for sure re: our thoughts.
I don't believe the 100 yrs satan has had is over. Mainly for 2 reasons.
You know I believe Medjugorje is real ( I just can't imagine that 6 people have been able to fool the entire world (practically) for 35 years. Plus the main points of why they say our Lady has come fit into Fatima, Garabandal, Akita, etc -- Pray, decide for God, Return to the Sacraments -- and events are coming to shake the world, bring souls back to my Son and cleanse everything. All of these points are the same at Fatima, Akita and Garabandal.
With that being said - here are the 2 reasons I believe the 100 yrs of satan is not over.
1) things are still on the way down - morally etc. In just the last 2 years we have Isis' onslaught on christians and anything that isn't their way. We've had the acceptance of "gay marriage - thus a gay lifestyle and now transgenderism and "gender theory" go through the roof and be outrightly proclaimed from the rooftops - and anyone who doesn't welcome those who are gay or transgender are seen as filled with hate and intolerant - there is no real peace in the world -- Governments seem as corrupt as ever etc. -- and all of this with the idea that its all ok and acceptable.
2) it makes sense what the 6 visionaries say in Medjugorje. That when the 1st secret occurs it will break the power that satan has been given. (the 100 yrs). Not only does that make sense but it coincides with the idea that people will begin to wake up from their sleep in sin. This has obviously not happened yet. People are not awake and no one (for the most part - at least in our media ) is calling for a renewal of values and right living.
I think when the first 'event' occurs it will be obvious to every human on the earth that something major - something like never before - has occurred - and that the game has changed - and everyone will have to begin deciding clearly where they stand with their Maker.
Simply - whether one believes in Medjugorje or not -- Mirjana has painted herself into a corner (if she's lying) because she has stated unequivocally that a priest of her choosing (already chosen - in the mid 80's I believe) will announce the coming of the first secrets - publicly - through her direction (of her telling him that we are 3 days away from the event). Time will tell. What is obvious is that big things are happening. United in prayer. I agree Yague's timeline is very interesting. We will see!
Michael Patrick

Anonymous said...



I will put a hook in her jaw...............

see debka.com Sept 13 th 2015
Has Russia sold out Iran for a stake in Israeli gas?

Chief amongst the Kremlin's economic and political priorities is ensuring that Russia's vast energy resources help it to remain a global superpower.
before the end of october 2016 we will see a greater israel or the start of, and a different world

chris



Marianne said...

Thanks Mark for your heads up on mothergod.com. I understand how you feel, Glenn who is pretty much in charge of teaching about Garabandal is quite headstrong. I love him though. He has a past with Garabandal and Joey when he was young that saved him from an illness. So, he does not take the apparition lightly. Also, he lives close to Conchita and communicates with her from time to time. Nobody can convince him Garabandal is not true. I do believe in it wholeheartedly. I saw the videos as a child in the 70's and was floored. But we just don't really know how it will turn out. That's why when Charlie says it might all be a spiritual experience instead of a physical one, I listen to him. We just don't know what exactly will happen. Few envisioned that the third secret of Fatima was going to turn out the way it did. God has his own way of waking us up. One thing I know for sure is that Satan has his own way too. So far, it's been a spectacle. We should question all apparitions that are not approved, absolutely. But one can immediately figure out the false one's. MDM and the Locutions from Fr Essef were ridiculously false. Anytime you lean against the magisterium or go against a legitimately elected Pope, your false. It's that simple. Garabandal till today has not fallen against the Church or the Pope. Her message is no different than those of Fatima, Lourdes, etc. So, we shall see. In the meantime I'm preparing as best I can.

Robert Sestan said...

Garabandal and Medugorje are complete fabrications. I still cannot understand how rational Catholic's allow themselves to be seduced into believing such vaudevillian concocted frauds.

It never ceases to amaze me how adherents of these two apparitions behave like "cultists", lavishly and slavishly defending the "authenticity" no matter that the reality does not marry with the "mystical narratives" of these so called apparitions.

It's voodoo masquerading as a sibling to Fatima and Lourdes.

My apologies if my language comes across unkind or derogatory, but that is not my intention. My intention is merciful in order to wake people up from their "mystical" slumber and recognise they are beleiving a LIE.

God Bless
Robert

Mark W said...

Robert - Well, to be honest, it did sound a bit unkind and a good bit more derogatory. But you didn't include any reasons why you feel the way you do. Simply stating "thus and such is true" or "thus and such is false", isn't much of an argument. It simply means that you say thus and such and believe it to be so, but it gives no reason why I should accept your statements (unless, of course, you're the Pope or the Prefect of the CDF...and until proven otherwise, I'll assume that you're neither).

As I said, I don't accept Medjugorje, so we can set that aside for now. And I agree with your points about the adherents of Garabandal. But the actions of the adherents are neither for nor against the apparitions. I ran into one person at motheofgod.com that at least implied that my eternal salvation depended upon my acceptance of Garabandal. And I saw quite a few pretzels being made when Joey Lomingino died and people had to bend and twist to make it make sense. The bishop's letter on Garabandal is something that the internet has ruined. I can't translate it from the original, and the translations that I've seen are obviously biased by whomever is writing about it.

My reason for not consigning Garabandal to the same bin as Medjugorje is that it follows a similar pattern of evidence as other apparitions, and some of the messages are very similar. Nothing more. There are plenty of things to the contrary, but given the gravity of the messages, I don't simply throw it out entirely. I would not be at all surprised if the Church ruled against it one day. If Our Lady was trying to communicate with us in Garabandal, then we should listen and try to learn how to listen, but we should not, in the process, forget that an angel of darkness can quote scripture when it suits his purpose.

But if you want to convince anyone - and there are a couple of Garabandalists here - then you'll have to do more than simply pontificate (unless you're the pontiff, of course). But be aware of one thing - if you start shouting at the Garabandalists that are here, you'll have more adversaries than just the Garabandalists. It just so happens that Emmett has some of the most kind hearted and rational Garabandalists around as readers here. This is a cool site because, aside from the occasional troll, most everyone here are decent folks. (And we do get to go troll hunting every once in a while!)

Marianne said...

"Behaving like cultist's"????? How? What is cultist about following the sacraments or praying the rosary? There is a warning for mankind in its messages. What's so cultist about that? Was there not a warning in Fatima, Akita, etc...? If the Warning or Miracle never arrive, why would it ever matter ? Preparing your soul and obeying God's laws is all that matters. Basically that is the core of the message of Garabandal. So if the Warning and Miracle don't happen maybe the Chastisement won't either. Life goes on....No big deal right?

Marianne said...

Antonio Yague's astronomical analysis is very cool. But if his assessment of events don't occur or are incorrect does that make us for paying attention to his theories cultist's? Heck no. If Yague is mistaken our lives won't change. And if Conchita is mistaken or being taken for a ride, our lives won't change either.

Unknown said...

MEDJUGORJE September 8 1984

Medjugorje precious place
chosen as fountain of Grace
herald of the Word Divine
strong and healing Warning Sign

You gather us, God's littlest kids
satan's temptations Heaven forbids
the toilsome voyage so worth the price
you show us the way back to Paradise

Dearest Mother, Fountain of Peace
prayer and fasting need to increase
as a Mother Your Son thee sent
to prompt us our life to amend

Sweet Mother, I love you so much
I beg You, just let me go Dutch
I'll defend Your Honor with zeal
You crushing satan with Your heel

I dread the day that You will leave
us poor wailing children of Eve
I beg of You to keep us close
O You Threefold Mystical Rose

The world hates who belongs to God
and treats them as a lightning rod
but the Victory is ours, already won
upon achieving a judgment of ippon

Medjugorje "between two mountains"
you teach us there are no "bargains"
in this life it's either God or the devil
either God's Silence or satan's revel.

Rita Biesemans September 8 1984

Unknown said...

A WORLD IN TOTAL DECLINE


The world has gone nuts
each one acts like a klutz
it’s all about me, only me
thus destroying the family

There are no more virtues
the vices know no curfews
each is his own god, master
causing the world’s disaster


They often act as wild animals
Even dare to live as cannibals
Everything that once was Holy
is looked upon as if too lowly

Pastors abandoning the flock
discord is splitting the Rock
causing the sheep to be lost
sacred values being tossed

A small remnant lives hidden
overt creed being forbidden
waiting for God’s intervention
for cleansing and redemption

We cry out loud to You
our Lord and savior do
please hasten Your coming
hear our desperate longing

Rita Biesemans
October 24 2015
Feast Day of saint Raphael

Unknown said...

WHY HEAVEN IS CRYING

Our Lord and His Holy Mother
are weeping bloody tears
as their children don't bother
to live in perdition gears

the tears splatter on rocky hearts
on a demeanor of "who cares"
as long as we don't feel the smarts
we'll take care of our own affairs

walking farther and farther away
spitting and mocking God in His Face
denying He made us out of the clay
worshipping gods of the human race

we think ourselves so enlightened
we don't need no Heavenly God
no more need to be so frightened
we join gladly the evil one's squad

while Heaven is crying
the devils laugh
the unrepentant dying
join the devils' staff

The day will come
that HE will say :
"enough, enough
no more rebuff "

Then the earthlings
will cry to no avail
Joe 6 packs nor Kings
will escape eternal wail.

Rita Biesemans April 26 2013 Feast Day of Our Lady of Good Counsel

Robert Sestan said...

Dear Mark

I did state that my intention was not to sound unkind or derogatory, because I am aware the tone of my language would be perceived to come across that way,your response only validates that assumption. But I don't genuinely mean any offence even though I understand "Garabandalists" and "Medgjugorjists" will not take kindly to my disregard of the aforementioned so called apparitions.

Regarding presenting evidence supporting my stance, I feel its a waste of time because I have learnt from experience no matter what evidence one presents, the adherents will reject with equally ardent obfuscating stock arguments that are in a permanent feedback loop. No objective reasoning will force them to consider their position. You mentioned the issue of Joey, well, considering how central his role was to the entire "prophetic narrative" and the FACT it did not come to pass should be significant enough to cause people to reconsider their belief. What more evidence do you need ?, but of course that is not enough for the ardent supporters who have invested many years of their life devoutly believing in the "apparition"

We do not accept irrational arguments promoting same sex marriage or abortion, yet there are those who fervently believe that LOVE and MERCY is central in both. (and there are Decent Catholic folk who genuinely believe that, even a Polish Priest who worked in the congregation for the doctrine of faith)

Yet when it comes to apparitions, as you said people will "bend and twist to make sense" when the timelines and key prophetic promises do not come to pass. Is the Mother of God a liar then ? I don't think so, I thinks it's more likely the whole apparition was a fraud.

That would seem to make more rational sense don't you think ?

God Bless
Robert

Unknown said...

FATIMA, HOPE OF THE WORLD
APOCALYPTIC VISION

O Woman, clothed with the sun
the moon under Your feet
You, in Whom Salvation begun
O Mary, Mary, name so sweet

O Heart, so full of smarts
come defeat our self-conceits
renew our ungrateful hearts
O Gateway that to Jesus leads

O dearest Mother, Virgin pure
upon Your children blessings shower
against the devil most effective cure
O come and annihilate satan’s power

O sing with us a whole new song
of Unity and Godly Peace
awaiting Your Triumph all along
O help us fulfill God’s Heavenly pleas

Rita Biesemans, written at Fatima May 13 1987

Unknown said...

THE CHURCH IN AGONY

Penance Penance Penance
to avoid Divine vengeance
for not showing any remorse
and trying our will to enforce

The reign of the Impostor has arrived
the Church, of TRUTH is being deprived
the whole world hangs on his lips
while being readied for a total eclipse

The true followers of Christ
trying to pull off the heist
are persecuted for non-compliance
and being countered with defiance

When it will seem that all is lost
everything sacred has been tossed
God will deliver us from our agony
and reign forever in all His Majesty

SO LET IT BE WRITTEN, SO LET IT BE DONE
A M E N

Rita Biesemans, December 19 2013

Unknown said...

THE PRESENT SODOM AND GOMORRAH

Though I am the Light
you walk in the darkness
Though I am the Might
you follow the barkless

Though I am the Truth
you prefer the lier’s booth
Though I am the Way
you say it’s ok to be gay

Though I am the Life
you choose eternal death
Where weeping and gnashing is rife
and for sure there won’t be any Meth

Oh you stubborn generation
stop this horrific aberration
You keep flirting with the seducer
so don’t blame Me, blame the abuser

Though I am the utter Merciful 
I’m also the eternal Just
Your behavior is extremely hurtful
My patience you finally bust.

Wake up and smell the coffee or it will be too late.
Lord, please, hasten Your Coming

Rita Biesemans, May 13 2014

Unknown said...

OUR LADY OF SORROWS

O dearest Mother, Lady of Sorrows
crying for our todays and tomorrows
‘cause we, Your children don’t care
to listen to Your warnings to prepare
for the coming abomination
and possible eternal damnation
if we don’t return to the Lord
and throw our Salvation overboard
Even seeing You cry bloody tears
does not make us change any gears
but what else can one expect
when Church leaders misdirect
and transform a saintly Lucas
into a devil possessed Judas
betraying Jesus as did Iscariot
while they ride their fancy chariot
not pulled by a donkey but by a jaguar
using diversity and coexistence as an avatar
The days are approaching that the real Church
will have to hide, away from the vicious smirch
Jesus Your Son is being crucified again
by the pride and the ingratitude of men
I want to dry Your tears, my sweet Mother
your pain and sufferings I want to smother
by following Your Son our Savior
through an obedient and docile behavior

Rita Biesemans, September 15 2014
Feast Day of Our Lady of Sorrows, I love You so much, my Heavenly Mother

Unknown said...

MARY, THE MYSTICAL CITY

Mary, Mystical City
where Jesus, our Savior, resides
look down on us with pity
who are carried with the tides

Will we ever fathom
the greatness of Your being
satan spitting his venom
to prevent our souls from healing

But You, God’s living Tabernacle
are constantly pointing to Your Son
to prevent us from sudden debacle
to bring us the Victory already won

We cry out to You, Oh Mystical City
to pull us out of the dangerous sinkholes
we are willing to be gritty
to save our eternal souls

Mary, our Mother spread Your Mantle over us to keep us safe in Your City.
Rita Biesemans written 11-29-2013

Unknown said...

THE CHURCH IN GETHSEMANE
-----------------------------------------------
The Ship of Peter is torn apart
Martyred in its Holy Teaching
It sinks and sinks, no work of art
The bottom though never reaching
Dissidents are screaming loud
Leaving behind an awful niff
Pretending to be proudly stout
Gearing the Ship into a cliff
Jesus shows His wounded Heart
Smitten with a deadly dart
Peter the Rock in desolation
Deploring severe desecration
Wake up, you Christian Brother
Show now your truthful face
With Mary our Heavenly Mother
We'll reach that Peaceful Place
In allegiance to the Holy Father 
United in prayer and fasting
No victory will claim, but rather
Satan's defeat be everlasting.

Rita Biesemans, 01-02-2011

IN 2011 THE HOLY FATHER WAS STILL BENEDICT XVI

Unknown said...

THE SIGNS OF THE TIMES

The signs of the times
speak loud and clear
the sounds of the chimes 
are set in high gear 

Progressives are winning
the hearts and the mind
of those who are sinning
while keeping them blind

They play the “good guys”
people are in adoration
gladly following their lies 
on the way to damnation

Rome will loose the faith
said Our Lady at La Salette
they close the Heaven’s gate
playing the harbinger’s trumpet

Nowadays everything goes
“Jesus forgave all sinners”
forget violent Death Throes
In Jesus there are only winners

No words about “go and sin no more”
no life style change exhortation
no admonition on how to restore
the only true way to our salvation

Rome Rome you kicked out Peter
and gave Jesus the Judas kiss
remember the end of this cheater
“repent’ or end up in the abyss !!!

Rita Biesemans, October 9 2014

Unknown said...

THE RIGHTEOUS JUDGE

If you follow the Master
the world will reject you
as it rejects the Pastor
with a lot of ballyhoo

The disciple is NOT above the Master
nor the servant above his Lord
the world is heading for a disaster
the Creator is ready to have it restored

The Queen of Heaven comes to warn
us poor children of naughty Eve
if we don’t listen, we’ll surely mourn
in an “eternity” full of grief

Each one of us is free to decide
whether to follow God or a worldly path
whether to be humble or full of pride
whether to be full of Love or full of wrath

The Righteous Judge keeps patiently
inviting His children to choose wisely
but most of us refuse blatantly
to follow His Commandments very precisely


He who will not hear, will feel .

Rita Biesemans, December 12 2013 Feast Day of Our lady of Guadalupe

Unknown said...
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Unknown said...

CHRIST THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD

Jesus the world’s only true Light
is almost completely rejected
they keep Him out of sight
instead of Him satan is erected

what is this world becoming
we’re really in apocalyptic times
the Bible is read thumbing
skyrocketing are the crimes

locked is every room in the inn
for the Savior of man
no need for remission of sin
to that we all say “AMEN”

Jesus is betrayed
even by His own disciples
they say “enough” they prayed
only, to their own idols

they see themselves so illuminated
while the True Light is extinguished
the whole world they contaminated
and the Truth they relinquished

They reject the Christ in Christmas
worshipping a lighted tree instead
even the real Saint Nicholas
has been left behind for dead

We call on You, O Lord and Master
help us to stop this abomination
to reinstall You as our Pastor
and as King of Your Creation

May the time be coming soon
that You will reign over a New World
announce it with a Heavenly tune
when all devils are safely furled.

Emmanuel, God with us, who then can be against us
Let Your Light shine upon us, especially this Christmas
We love You Jesus
Rita Biesemans, Christmas 2014

26 October 2015 at 22:28

Mark L said...


Robert-

Your first post said:

"My intention is merciful in order to wake people up from their "mystical" slumber and recognise they are beleiving a LIE."

Your next post said:

"I have learnt..no matter what evidence one presents, the adherents will reject with equally ardent obfuscating stock arguments that are in a permanent feedback loop. No objective reasoning will force them to consider their position."

I hope you can see the logic problem of your position. You are being harsh in order to force people to wake up, people whom you state will not be woken up no matter what. Therefore you simply come across as angry and rude.

* * *


I don't know what to make of either Garabandal or Medjugorje. They both have very bizarre aspects about them. This fellow, Charlie, also has very bizarre aspects about him which I find make his words highly dubious.

I find the videos of those bizarre "backward runs" the children did while in a trance at Garabandal creepy, at best. I also find the extreme angle of their head thrust back upon their neck while supposedly St. Michael gave them communion to be disturbing. At Medjugore (which I visted twice) I find it bizarre that one of the visionaries should be given a magical parchment from Mary so she'll remember the secrets. How could a message for humanity which is so vital be in danger of being forgotten and thus have to be written on a magical parchment that nobody else can read? Isn't that just a little bit...odd? Moreover, if these are "warnings for humanity," why have the visionaries said "Don't wait for the warnings to convert. By then it will be too late. Convert now!" But...if the warnings are to wake up humanity, how can it be too late to wait for them? Again - logic problem.

But having said all that, our faith is filled with odd mystical things in her history. Souls from purgatory leaving scorched hand-prints on things. Just look at the bizarre phenomenon which surrounded St. Padre Pio all of his life. So many saints. Look at St. Joseph of Cupertino. When he went into the basilica at Assisi and looked high, high up the wall and spotted an icon of Mary, he floated all the way up toward the ceiling and kissed it! They were so convinced he was possessed they locked him into a tiny cell (so he couldn't drift) in the basement of the basilica. As a Fransican I was actually able to visit his cell, which the general public cannot access.

Incredible stuff.

So we have to be careful in dismissing things which make no sense to us, even things which may very well appear demonic. We have volumes of things in our history which seemed truly demonic to even holy, devout souls within the Hierarchy at the time.


Marianne asks, "what's the harm if it doesn't work out? We're simply praying, fasting, etc." On the face of it, I agree. However, I think there could be terrific harm if the church comes out against it. First, it will divide people against the magisterium (more of which we do not need). Next, it may very well dispirit a great many of the faithful who have been praying and fasting so much all these years. I don't think it's inconceivable for it to discourage those folks so much that they end up drifting back into a worldly way of life. How can so many people live with such intensity for so long, find out the whole thing was a fraud, and continue to live their faith that intensely? I don't think they can. I think it could provoke a massive crisis of the faith for many people.


Mark L.

Robert Sestan said...

Dear Rita

Thank you for your poignant prose.

I do believe you authentically capture the spirit of the times and I share your lamentation.

All Glory to the majestic and merciful Triune God who has promised to deliver a new Heaven and Earth where his sheep will one day live in eternal peace in communion with all of his creation.

God Bless
Robert

Robert Sestan said...

Dear Mark

You seem to take umbrage at my tone yet you then proceed to articulate the very concerns and reasons which cast significant doubt on why I think Garabandal is not an apparition from Heaven.

Further I presented only one single fact which clearly renders the apparition inauthentic yet that does not satisfy you. 1 drop,of poison in a litre of pure water is sufficient to dispatch the contents down the drain.

G & M is a diversion a ruse to divide the flock and sow confusion is my belief. In the fullness of time all will be revealed.

God Bless
Robert

Anonymous said...

I also have to pose an answer to the "What's the harm of it?" question with regard to Charlie Johnston. Charlie Johnston's 'storm' idea is that people need to prepare and will need to live in a refuge because he has been 'told' that 26 million people will die. This has caused a lot of angst. One mother asked him if she should have her child's braces removed because she may not have access to an orthodontist. Another couple moved their family to the hills in preparation. Charlie Johnston is a cult-like leader. He has one prediction that has failed but his following today is greater than ever. I want to warn people about him. I have been duped in the past and I feel like I can't stand back and watch when it happens to others. One last note, Peter B. from the motheofgod forum has a very persuasive style of writing about these dubious 'prophets' but BE AWARE. Do your own research! Try to watch videos of the 'seers' having visions and pray for discernment. Don't relay on some intelligent sounding person to persuade you into dangerous waters. May God Bless you!

Anonymous said...

Mark L and everyone
Praise God!
As Marianne said -- it does no harm to believe. IF one believes for the right reasons and is actually living the call.
Mark, yes - if the Vatican comes out against the apparitions then there will be months of upset -- but that should not stop people from praying the rosary, going to adoration, loving Jesus and Mary, receiving communion worthily and being charitable. If it does - then they missed the point of the apparitions (any apparition for that matter).
Re your point about the 'parchment'. Mirjana cannot help if the Virgin has given her a parchment. God has his reasons.
2 points -- 1 is that the parchment is apparently a reality to further the truth of the apparitions themselves -- for the priest who will have to publicly acknowledge each "secret" 3 days before it comes to pass -- to see the parchment and the writing of the secret - to confirm what Mirjana has verbally told him.
2) for future generations to acknowledge the parchment in the same way they ackowledge and give thanks to God for Padre Pio's gloves, or St. John Paul II rosary or vestments, etc. as a restrengthening and assurance of the reality of God.-- IF the secrets actually occur.
If the events connected with Mirjana/Medj don't happen - then its all a moot point.
But -- as we have all stated again and again -- time will tell. Conchita and Mirjana have obviously painted themselves into corners -- they either have to tell the world 8 days or 3 days in advance or they won't. Both have already stated that the 'miracle' (for Conchita) and the first few "secrets" for Mirjana are absolute and will happen. So neither can all of a sudden say that Mary has told them that things have changed, or that God has decided to do things differently etc. So, time really will tell the truth of both of them -- and thus the truth of whether Mary really came to Garabandal and is coming in Medjugorje.
United in prayer!
Michael Patrick

Mark L said...



Robert-

I will not be satisfied until the Church rules in these cases.

To proselytize a position of absolute certitude in cases where the Church herself has not yet taken a definitive stand constitutes a drop of prideful poison in the heart, which causes listeners to dispatch the entire contents of what else might be said down the drain.

May Christ's peace rule in your heart,
Mark L.

Mark W said...

First off, to everyone - Please, indicate which Mark you're talking to. MarkW and MarkL are different people. I thought one comment directed to MarkL was directed at me, and it took me a while to figure out what was what. We try to identify ourselves, so please try to identify us as well.

Now, as to this...

"Regarding presenting evidence supporting my stance, I feel its a waste of time because I have learnt from experience no matter what evidence one presents, the adherents will reject with equally ardent obfuscating stock arguments that are in a permanent feedback loop."

With respect, Robert, this is kinda wrong-headed. You're correct in thinking that you won't likely change the minds of an adherent to either Garabandal or Medjugorje. But that's not, strictly speaking, the point. There are loads of people out there that are simply confused by both, and could be swayed by the conversation, even though they do not post a comment or say a word. I was in exactly that spot four or five years ago. Eventually, I started asking questions after sitting and reading for a while. Reading the conversations of others lead to a series of questions that were never properly answered. So now, while not willing to entirely write off Garabandal, I don't accept it in general terms.

Mark W said...

Marianne - the no-harm-to-believe idea, while tempting, is dangerous. As with the person that strongly implied that our salvation is determined by our acceptance of Garabandal. You seem to have a relatively healthy attitude toward this subject, but others are toes-over on the precipice. There is a serious problem with placing so much faith in Garabandal or Medjugorje that one is prone to forget whence salvation actually comes. I can't see that ending well.

Mark W said...

Robert -

"You mentioned the issue of Joey, well, considering how central his role was to the entire "prophetic narrative" and the FACT it did not come to pass should be significant enough to cause people to reconsider their belief."

Joey is certainly a problematic figure. But here's the thing...he's a tangent. I don't see him as being a seriously important figure in the entire Garabandal story. If Garabandal is true - a big IF - then can be removed from the equation without damaging the message from the apparition. If Garabandal turns out to be false, then I feel sorry for Joey as he would seem to be the most duped of all the duped followers.

Joey is not unimportant in the Garabandal story, but neither is he a central figure (he wasn't directly involved in the visions...his involvement allegedly initiated by Padre Pio). What Joey's story does, really, is cast doubt on the seers of Garabandal. He's more important in that than what his story says he did or heard.

Anonymous said...

Can you please post specific Scriptures that say there is to be a minor apostasy?

I am with Robert's original posts on much of this.

I do not believe there is a minor apostasy mentioned anywhere in Scripture. My understanding is it was conjured up from misinterpretations - by locutionists or visionaries, such as the good Fr. Gobbi. Some of what Fr. Gobbi said is considered by the Church to be his own interpretations, or perhaps more properly, MISinterpretations of what he was told by Our Lady. This problem of correct discernment afflicts virtually all visionaries. Even the recent Medjurgorje visionaries like Mirjana have said they too have to study and pray and try hard to discern all that Blessed Mary tells them.

Another problem with discerning past messages and secrets is that we often fail to attribute them to their proper time frame. A message from Our Lady given in 1846 might apply to 1901 or 1940, not 2015. Let us take the La Salette passage - part of Melanie's 'secret' - and look at it with another interpretation, to see what I mean:

After all these calamities have arrived, many will recognize the hand of God on them. They will convert, and do penance for their sins. A great king will go up on the throne, and will reign many years. Religion will re-flourish and spread all over the world, and there will be a great abundance. The world, glad to be lacking nothing, will fall again into disorder, will give up God, and will return to its criminal passions.
(Melanie's Secret)

This can be interpreted as:
After all these calamities of WWI, WWII, Hitler, the Holocaust of the Jews, gulags, Stalin, Mao, communist atheism, etc, many will see it as what it is - God's punishment of man - and return to earnest prayer and worship. Then the Great Pope John Paul II will come, and reign for many years. Religion will re-flourish and spread over the world, as he travels the world. This does not mean all will become holy, only that many strong who began to waver will once again become steadfast, and others who had fallen will return to God. The Cold War will end and a great relief will be felt especially in the Christian West, a relief that the evil Russia will not decimate them with nuclear weapons after all. Alas, this will be fleeting. In their joy at all of this, they will become lax in morals and fall into disorder. Sex and pornography will become rampant, families will dissolve with divorce and co-habitation and immodesty, drug use will soar, governments will pass laws against God such as abortion and gay-marriage. So disorder will again rule, and the world, lacking nothing, will again fall back into criminal passions. So while the great king Pope John Paul II rules, and restores the faith to many, even while he rules and long after he is gone, others will fall back into the world and be of the world again, and forget God again. Then, when all seems lost, I will act in a marvelous way [Our Lady of Good Success in Quito, 1600s; and Our Lady of Fatima, 1917] and triumph once and for all over Satan and his followers. Be ready, my children, and convert NOW! I beg you. [Our Lady of Medjugorje].

Anonymous said...

"WWII, Hitler, the Holocaust of the Jews, gulags, Stalin, Mao, communist atheism, etc, many will see it as what it is - God's punishment of man."

Yes, these are God's punishments. How do we know? Because Our Lady of Fatima said so:
When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that he is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father.
[Our Lady of Fatima, July 13, 1917]

Sr. Lucia did say that more properly it is we are punishing ourselves in that we have brought these punishments upon ourselves by our continuing offense of God, even when warned to stop:
And let us not say that it is God who is punishing us in this way; on the contrary it is people themselves who are preparing their own punishment. In his kindness God warns us and calls us to the right path, while respecting the freedom he has given us; hence people are responsible.
[Sr. Lucia]

Can you please specifically point out where Sr. Lucia indicated a minor apostasy? I do not find that in her writings.

There are those who suspect the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Blessed Mary is a phrase meaning the Second Coming of her Son who will indeed come. He will come through Blessed Mary, as He did the first time, so says St. Louis de Montfort.

God bless.

Anonymous said...

And one thing more:

There are those who say the 'period of peace' IS precisely the period of time that spans the apparition of Medjugorje; the Medjugorje apparition is the promised period of peace. Afterall, the messages to the world began there in 1984, the same year JPII did the Fatima Act of Consecration, and Our Lady did say at Fatima that once that was done, a period of peace would be given the world.

"Peace" as used biblically, as Our Lady of Fatima most certainly used it and meant it, means reconciliation with God. Man is at war with God (He is not at war with us), but even while we are in sin, He has reconciled us to Himself by the cross.

At Medjugorje, there is that famous cross on the mountaintop. And one of Blessed Mary's alleged first messages there was: "Peace, peace, peace! Be reconciled! Only peace. Make your peace with God..." Her chosen title for Medjugorje (allegedly)? Queen of PEACE.

God bless.

Anonymous said...

And another thing more:

Based specifically on the words of Jesus in Scripture, Catholic teaching as found in the Catechism says the wheat (the good people) and the tares (the evil ones) will 'grow' side by side until the final harvest, also know as the Last Judgment, or the Day of the Lord. So evil will exist in this present world right up until the Last Day (of Judgment). That is the official teaching: in other words, there will NEVER be a time when Catholicism, or belief in the Christian God for that matter, is everywhere in the world without any evil or unbelief existing side-by-side with it, too.

God bless.

Anonymous said...



comments and info regarding my earlier reference to the hook being put into gog's jaw.

"But there is now a new kid on the block that could pose a very clear and present threat to Russia’s vital European market: Israel, along with Cyprus, and their upcoming potential status as gas exporting energy superpowers. And it is there that we can see a fascinating new play in the Israel-Iran nuclear saga."

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/1560/has_russia_sold_out_iran_for_a_stake_in_israeli_gas

chris



Anonymous said...

As for Garabandal, a couple of things worth mentioning:

1) Conchita, the main visionary, said she gave the date of the Great Miracle to the Pope. If this date has already passed and nothing has happened, then to me the Church is morally obligated to clearly state at the highest levels - the Vatican - Garabandal is false. And yet the Church has not done this, so most likely the date has not passed. (I suspect as do many others the date is October 13, 2017.)

2) It is said that most would fall away from Garabandal 'shortly' before its prophesied dates came to pass. When Mari Loli died, some adherents fell away. But when Joey died, many, many adherents gave up on it.

3) As I stated earlier concerning interpretations of locutions and visions, often even the visionary misunderstands the message given to him or her. I suspect this is the case with Conchita concerning Joey seeing the miracle with his eyes. I say this because the only important known date associated with Garabandal is June 18 - the apparition is said to span from June 18, 1961 to June 18, 1965. It is also on this date - June 18 - that the message from Garabandal was given. Blind Joey 'preached' Garabandal almost all of his adult life. He died on June 18. Coincidence? I don't think so.

God bless.

Anonymous said...

Oops, I misstated the date for the Garabandal Great Miracle - I think as do many others that it is April 13, 2017!

(In my opinion October 13, 2017 is a very plausible date for the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Blessed Mary. Sorry to confuse anyone!)

God bless.

Anonymous said...



Here is a site of reference to Padre pio and garabandal decern for yourself.

https://chastisement2013.wordpress.com/tag/padre-pio/

chris

Anonymous said...


This is the gentleman spoken of in my previous post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HeFTR8myfw

http://thepathlesstaken7.blogspot.com/2010/09/donal-enright-witness-to-many-miracles_24.html

enjoy

chris

Mark W said...

Chris - That's an interesting website, and it makes a great deal of sense regarding Garabandal. That perhaps there was a divine aspect at the beginning, an aspect that was later corrupted, makes sense. That would mean, I think, that the first year or maybe two of Garabandal might have been authentic, but that the last three or four years were not.

Robert Sestan said...

Dear Mark W

I disagree with your comments about being "wrong headed" but I respect your right to view it as such.

There is enough material on the web to fill a public school library on both G & M.

Any thinking individual who has the capacity to to do a little research can examine the evidence for themselves and discern the authenticity of the so called apparitions in question.

To be swayed one way or another by arguments on public forums is an exercise in futility, because,many people arrive here with an well held and entrenched position already. They don't need to read arguments from an anonymous Robert S or Mark W to be persuaded one way or another, they should do their own thorough research first. Read the evidence, examine the facts and discern what they believe is the truth. Do not trust my judgement, but use the God given brain and discernment God has given you to judge the merits of the so called apparitions.

My opinion and belief on G & M is clear and unequivocal so need to for me to restate it, but I would like to make some general observations.

The emphasis of key dates and timelines in prophetic fulfillment(which continually shift as key dates come and go)is mind boggling. This is not in any way consistent with the teachings of the Catholic Faith. It is more akin to astrology and pseudo divination. To be even more precise the practice of prophetic date setting is a tradition straight from the practice of KABBALAH,the school of Jewish mysticism and Gnosticism. There is no Catholic tradition whatsoever in the scriptures, Catechism or Magisterial teaching that condones or allows for prophetic date setting. Yet the ongoing conjecture regarding dates and timelines is evidently a BIG issue with believers of G & M.Why ? because they need evidence that will support their belief because thus NONE has been forthcoming. So let's spin the timeline roulette wheel once again and wait maybe it's actually September 25 2019 or maybe its August 21 2026, it is so pathetic that it's actually very sad.

NO MAN KNOWS THE HOUR OR TIME OF MY COMING NOT EVEN THE SON ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS.

Prophetic date setting and conjecture is NOT from the Lord. Yet it abounds amongst adherents of G & M. Its great reading for those who are into Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom fictional story lines I guess.

I will state for the record once last time, please read the scriptures, read the OLIVET DISCOURSE and if you want to examine further authentic and approved Catholic literature then read the Diary of Saint Faustina. There in JESUS Christ's very own words you will receive the instruction of how to obtain eternal life.(If that's what you are genuinely seeking)

But if you believe G with its creepy seers walking backwards with contorted faces, and to put your trust in mystical events unfurling at pre set dates under the cover of blood red moons announcing the tribulation to the world because the G & M seers have secret messages which they cant reveal until they are revealed (makes sense right)the be my guest. Remember old saying , curiosity kills the cat ? Be careful where curiosity takes you.

God Bless
Robert

Anonymous said...


Mark W
I agree. There are interesting ideas on the website. I was and am not too familiar with Garabandal other than reading about it over the last few years. I guess we will all see if these are true or not since the age of the seers will reveal the authenticity or move on without answers as joeys death has raised questions.
As for myself , I must testify to seeing the sun spin and wander in the sky while I was in medjugorje. I still can't believe what i saw on that day an after being dazzled in wonder for several minutes while a host shaped disc appeared from the side of my vision, blocked the sun and left me without damage on spots..I must testify to what i saw and admit that I am a lukewarm follower of Jesus's truths. But I was given a grace that day which has given me the strength to believe and keep trying to go forward. We shall see what the church decides however i cannot deny what i saw and felt there.
There too the ages of the seer seems to define the period in which we will all realize the terrible truth we were trying to be told and failed to change as a human community or somehow change in the very near future and bring about the changes Our Lady has asked for. Unfortunetely for us it seems as if we have chosen the world's promises instead.

Thanks for all the ideas you people present on this site to consider. and please say a prayer for me or include me in your supplication for mercy.

chris

Robert Sestan said...

Dear Mark L

The Church' position is very clear on G & M.

But your definition of "definitive" might not accord with mine.

When the facts are clear and the evidence is overwhelming, many then revert to semantics to justify their position.

I have also heard the argument used by many of my peers growing up over the years that Jesus never definitively ruled out smoking weed or snorting drugs, neither did he give a definitive thumbs down to getting Tattoos.

Therefore technically and semantically speaking drug taking and getting Tatts are permissible.

God Bless
Robert


Anonymous said...

one more tidbit

to robert sestan
As to your no man knows the hour
I agree but-----
The word states that knowledge will be increades as time goes on and i think this applies to bible interpretation.
If you go to the blood red moons guy , mark bilitz i think his name is. http://www.elshaddaiministries.us/ He has some intersting explanations of jewish feasts and what they honor. To paraphrase, The day of the return is honored by -i forget which one, but it is started on thte sighting of the new moon. The sighting will be a different time depending on where you are situated and this reference is more to this discrepency than some hidden mystery we are not to know. If you spend some time to listen to these they are dazzleing in their relevations and will impart a new insight into many things. Good luck to you!!

chris

Robert Sestan said...

Dear Chris

I too was once a believer in Medjugorje many years ago and I experienced EXACTLY what you experienced by way of the spinning sun/disc dazzling in many colors. The only difference I was at home in Sydney Australia not Medjugorje. In fact my mother and I experienced it together from our backyard so I even had a witness to the event.

I realized many years later that it was a demonic manifestation designed to seduce me even further.

I do not like to discuss it publicly because of the dire effects it had on my mother and her mental health thereafter.

But if you would like to discuss or share your experience privately then please feel free to email me and I would be happy to share my experience with you.

God Bless
Robert

Anonymous said...

dear robert Sestan
robert -these happenings are so personal that i hesitate to comment on your experience. I can say however that when fatimas sun event occured --forty miles away people experienced the phenomenom. For me personally, i can't see the devil doing something that would cause millions of people to pray, confess fast and change theuir lives--- for a THIRTY YEAR PERIOD. i have heard of several people experiencing the sun miracle at different places-- even very recently.

I hope your mom comes to a healthy recovery from what ever happened to her.

It seeems however our experiences were of differing spiritual and emotional things. I hope you have recovered and learnt to deal with your experience.
chris


Anonymous said...

Robert and Co
Its great to see such spirited debate! Re: Medjugorje and Garabandal.
It's ashame -- I think that the possible reality of both apparitions seems to get skewed because some adherents to both run off the rails.(Robert I'm not referring to whatever may have occurred with your mom - I am meaning people who are slavish in waiting for each message and who follow anyone who says they see or hear Jesus and Mary etc).
One cannot blame the actual possible appearances by the Mother of God (for reasons only God Himself knows why He may have sent her) for those who place any of the messages etc above the simple living of the Faith.
And - as said before -- it would be simple to have yes or no debates about the authenticity or lack thereof re both IF in both cases -- Conchita and Mirjana had not set themselves up (actually if its real then it was Mary who guided them to do so) to have to PUBLICLY state a world changing event days in advance of its occurrence.
Now, if nothing happens - so be it. I WILL wonder how, especially in Medjugorje, they were able to fool scientists and psychologists for 35 years (or longer if the "apparitions" continue past June of 2016). But I won't stop praying the rosary, going to adoration, receiving holy communion and trying to be a good person at all times.
And for those who do walk away from the Church IF one or both apparitions are never fulfilled thus showing they were false -- then those who walk away from the Church were missing the point of why Mary would come in the first place - is coming?!!
United in prayer!
Michael Patrick

Mark W said...

"But if you believe G with its creepy seers walking backwards with contorted faces, and to put your trust in mystical events unfurling at pre set dates under the cover of blood red moons announcing the tribulation to the world because the G & M seers have secret messages which they cant reveal until they are revealed (makes sense right)the be my guest. "

Robert, I think you're misreading me rather badly. I don't accept Medjugorje. I never have. In general terms, I don't accept Garabandal. I'm not quite so unequivocal about Garabandal for reasons that I've already stated. If you want a numerical representation - 99.9% of me doesn't accept Garabandal. The remaining .1% only hesitates because of the origins of the apparitions. So there's really no reason to sling out that, "be my guest" nonsense any longer.

As far as date setting, I think you also misunderstand that as well, at least in my case. Yeah, I'll plead guilty to playing with the dates. But not for the reasons that you imply. I'm not doing so because I feel the need to gain extra knowledge or hidden meaning that others miss. I do it for one simple reason - if God weaves the fabric of life in such amazing and intricate detail, why not stop and look at the beauty of the pattern? It amazes me to see it unfold before my eyes. Stop and think about the times we're living in - my degree is in history, so imagine a historian living through a moment like this and recognizing it for what it is! It's a massive simultaneous dose of awe and humility that staggers the intellect. Do I expect to find the last day? No. I don't really even look for it. (To be honest, I'm always highly suspicious of anyone that thinks they can set a firm date. Yague is likely wrong simply because he sets a date. But he seems to get some things that others have missed, and thereby exposes the weave of the pattern just a wee bit more.)

And Robert, let's be honest here. You don't know me. I do read the Bible almost every day (my schedule is not mine to control, alas, so I can't claim to read every day). I generally can manage four or five days in an average week. So telling me, "I will state for the record once last time, please read the scriptures", is actually a bit beyond condescending. I get what you mean, but chill out a bit. We are, at least theoretically, on the same side. And if you're not going to kill any pixels to convince an adherent in Garabandal, why do so to try and convince me to do what I'm already doing?

I've also read St. Faustina's diary cover-to-cover. Why is a longer story then I want to get into just now. But I have read it, and my copy is covered with notes and dog-eared pages. But my reason for reading it, and what I looked for therein, are probably very different than what Emmett or you might be looking for. I don't feel a need to elaborate just now.

I also pray the hours, fast as much as my health permits, I've read St. Augustine and St. John of the Cross as well (and I don't even know how many others). So you can dispense with telling me to pray more, fast, and read the saints, should it strike your fancy to do so. You may, however, remind me to be more patient especially with my wife and kids, read Aquinas (never managed that), go back to studying Latin again, exercise more regularly, and not to be so wrapped-up in the secular news. Those are my faults, just so you'll have them on hand for future use - I did leave some private ones out that are none of your business. You may now tell me off in a more meaningful way...and my wife would probably get a good chuckle out of your posts.

I'm not trying to be mean spirited, Robert, and I'm not in the least bit angry. But in general, Robert, relax a little. This is a cool site in that a lot of ideas are bounced around.

Pax Chrisit sit semper vobiscum,

MarkW

Mark W said...

Sorry. I should have started that last one with, "@Robert" or "Dear Robert" or something. But I was getting an error about the post being too long.

MarkW

Anonymous said...


robert here is the talk regarding no one knows the time........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llOi5nKIb9Q

I am not stating this as gospel and i can't recall if there are glaring differences to our beliefs. I do recall the talks being very informative and interesting. i like that.

so take what you can and leave the rest if there is any part that is different.

enjoy
chris

Robert Sestan said...

Dear Mark W

If i came across as condescending please accept my apologies.

And to be clear my post was not directed to you personally, rather it was directed for those in the audience who believe in G & M.

I never once questioned your faith or your relationship with God nor did I ever make a remark that denigrated your faith. I was questioning the authenticity of so called apparitions which many Catholic's follow.

I genuinely wish you peace and God's grace in your journey towards Heaven.

I will leave it at that Mark W and I hope this clarifies my intentions.

Dear Michael

My dear brother in Christ, if you genuinely believe M is from Heaven then there is very little I can offer by way of response. I think you will be ultimately disappointed when the diabolical author of this "apparition" is revealed, but as M is part of your spiritual journey, which you feel has enriched your faith and brought you closer to God then that only proves God works in mysterious ways.

Dear Chris

Re: Link ..If you yourself are stating that it is not gospel, the please explain why it piques your interest ?

I don't think something being informative and interesting inecsssarily means True or faithful to the Truth. By way of example The History of Western Philosophy by Bertrand Russell is an extremely informative and interesting tome, but the author was an atheist who did not believe in God !!

Mate, I think you are seeking answers in all the wrong places when they are already there in front of you, but your spiritual curiosity is taking you on a journey which may lead you to places of mystical experiences that are not necessarily in your best interests. Anyway God Bless you Chris, I hope your journey brings you closer to Heaven. God works in mysterious ways.

Robert





Ziad S said...

Dear Emmett,

I've been reading this blog for a quite some time. i just wanna share with you something i read on the web site of heart of Mary but in arabic and they were saying that it is an approved apparition by the church.

On June 6, 2009, his Eminence the Archbishop of Esztergom-Budapest and President of the Council of Episcopal Conferences of Europe, Cardinal Peter Erdö, granted his Imprimatur number 494-4/2009 to the Hungarian original Spiritual Diary of Elizabeth Kindelmann, authorizing the publication of the messages given to her by the Lord Jesus and the Blessed Virgin Mary.

the message is from the Lord Jessus and the Virgin Mary:

The Lord Jesus: “I could compare this torrential flood to the first Pentecost. It will submerge the earth by the power of the Holy Spirit. All mankind will take heed at the time of this great miracle. Here comes the torrential flow of the Flame of Love of My Most Holy Mother. The world, darkened already by the lack of faith, will undergo formidable tremors and then people will believe!

These jolts will give rise to a new world by the power of faith. Trust, confirmed by faith, will take root in souls and the face of the earth will thus be renewed. For never has such a flow of grace ever been given since the Word became Flesh.

This renewing of the earth, tested by suffering, will take place through the power and the imploring force of the Blessed Virgin!”

Elizabeth once asked: “What then is the Flame of Love?”

Jesus responded: “My Mother’s Flame of Love is for you what the Noah’s Arch was for Noah.” And the Blessed Virgin Mary added: “The Flame of Love of My Immaculate Heart is Jesus Christ Himself!”

Let us thank the Lord for the Flame of Love from the bottom of our hearts and with great gratitude for a gift of an exceptional import, for never has such a flow of graces ever been given since the Word became Flesh, as the Virgin Mary once said to Elizabeth.

heart of mary website in arabic:
http://www.heartofmaryarabic.com/hrtofmary/?p=1466

another website in english stating similar meanings is:
http://www.theflameoflove.org/survey.html

Dear Emmett,
if these conversions to Christianity are foretold to happen, then can you tell me why we would not have a period of peace that was foretold by virgin Mary, and why people are still hesitated to believe in this.


Mark W said...

Robert - No worries. I'm sorry if I read too much into that. It had my name at the top, and I thought that's where you were headed. Again, no worries, we're fine.

Mark

KP said...

Ziad, that could easily be read as a veiled reference to the Second Coming. The message itself states that the miracle is Jesus Christ Himself... it mentions the world being renewed through fire... it's comparable to Noah's flood... those are all references in the bible to the End Times.

Mark W said...

Ziad - I can't answer for Emmett, but I can give you one angle on this that I've seen recently.

There are two elements at play here. One is a "period of peace" as noted in Fatima. Another is an "era of peace", sometimes called a 1000 year Eucharistic reign of Christ. The difference between these two could be part of what you're seeing here.

The 1000 year reign is a variation on millennialism, and has a main proponent in Catholic circles of Fr. Joseph Iannuzzi (not an exclusive proponent, but from what I've seen, most recent writers are heavily influenced by Fr. Iannuzzi in one way or another). Fr. Iannuzzi's views are seriously flawed, and contrary to Church teachings on millennialism.

The period of peace mentioned by Mary at Fatima, it seems, must be taken as relative. There was some word not long ago about a nuclear war that would have been fought in 1985. The Marian period of peace intercepted that. So it depends on how you read the period of peace; either we're in it, nearing the end of it, or it's just recently finished.

My own feeling is, if we did indeed enter the period of peace in March of 1984, then it probably ended with the turn of the millennium.

I'm not saying that this is right. That's just where I personally think we are right now. But I've seen others that have combined the period of peace with the era of peace - I did that myself for some time.

Hope that helps. I'm sure Emmett will have scads of better analysis.

MarkW

Marianne said...

Interesting analysis Mark W. Hoping and praying the era of peace or period of peace continues after the Warning and Miracle for quite some time. According to Fr Gobbi, the triumph of Her Immaculate Heart is an ongoing process. We just don't magically enter into a constant era of peace. It's a process where we have ups and downs in our daily lives, but endure them by the grace of God that will pour out stronger than ever during the end times.

Marianne said...

I believe this is the point of difference between Millenialism and the Triumph.

Anonymous said...

Hey Guys!
I have to share with you --
One, I thinks its great that we are able to come here and talk openly and intelligently (98.3% of the time) about apparitions, scripture, the times we live in, prophecy etc. Two, I think that the Flame of Love - as given to Elizabeth Kindelmann is about to really become big. I guess its the Spirit moving - because I keep seeing it over and over again - on different blogs - etc. Just wanted to share -- something for you guys - if interested -to look into - pray about etc.
Three, on Spirit Daily is a special report apparently on the coming Illumination of Conscience. Emmett, looking forward to a new article from you - hopefully soon!
United in prayer!
Michael Patrick

Anonymous said...

http://mysticpost.com/2015/07/15/is-the-phenomena-at-medjugorje-the-revelation-that-speaks-to-fatimas-period-of-peace/

The Period of Peace

Most who follow Fatima and Catholic prophecy believe that the “period of peace’ must be a time for the whole world to be at peace. But what if that was not what was meant. At Fatima, Our Lady promised that a “peace will be granted to the world for some time.” If we read these words precisely Medjugorje and the apparitions of the Queen of Peace may well represent the “peace” that was granted to the world. The promise at Fatima was not that the world would be AT peace, but rather that the world would be GRANTED peace. Is Medjugorje the peace that was to be granted to the world? Mirjana goes on to say that the “triumph” of Her immaculate heart would follow.

With so much conflict around the world and Russia appearing militarily onto the world stage it is very possible we are nearing the end of the “period of peace granted to us by God”, and that the revelation of the Medjugorje secrets are about to unfold.

chris

Anonymous said...


my how things have changed
1950 has this---------http://shoebat.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/empire.jpg

2014/15 has this---http://www.firstpost.com/world/goddess-kali-showcased-empire-state-building-nyc-heres-2385298.html

and detroit has statue of the devil enthoned there.

i realize now why america is not mentioned in the bible as an end of the age entity

chris

Mark W said...

Michael Patrick - That Spirit Daily piece has a lot of leftovers thrown into the pot.

A lot of these things, I think, have to be looked at in a figurative or more spiritually based way. In that, you don't get the illumination of conscience as a literal thing. The illumination is really stated, in so many words, at Garabandal. It's not directly mentioned anywhere else that I've seen. It's alluded to, perhaps, but specifically mentioned? I don't know of any source. St. Faustina's mention of it is related to herself, and is not expanded to anyone else - her conscience was exposed to her intellect, but she doesn't mention it for the general population. She does mention a great sign in the sky, so perhaps the "illumination of conscience" is best seen as an interior result of that sign and each individual looks at it themselves. Think of it as an examination of conscience brought on by the sign in the sky, rather than a supernatural illumination. Could this in the end be literal? Sure. I think it would be more effective if it were literal. But making it literal isn't necessary.

The three days of darkness are similar (mentioned in the Spirit Daily article). If taken literally, it's out of character for God (with the possible exception being the original Passover from Exodus). But if you look at the "three days" figuratively, as a few decades, then the darkness cold be seen as originating with Paul VI's smoke of Satan entering the sanctuary, and continuing to the present time. There's also nothing in the Bible referring to an event like the Three Days of Darkness, and you'd think that would be a big enough deal that St. John would have noticed. Could the 3 days be literal? Sure, but I doubt it very much.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Mark W said...

Chris -

"I realize now why America is not mentioned in the bible as an end of the age entity"

Yeah, we're in a heap of trouble. I just wish there was a way back. But honestly, I don't see one.

Mark

Marianne said...

So enjoying all of your 2 cents gentlemen. And agree with you Mark, there is no way back for us. Watched the Republican debates last night and was relieved to find most candidates agreeing with each other on the awful state of our nation, but will we ever get to the point of fixing it?

Marianne said...

And as for the three days of darkness, I too believe it's not something we should take literally.

Anonymous said...

Mark W and everyone

I think Anna Marie Taigi mentioned explicitly an "illumintion of consciences". Actually many speak of her mentioning this directly.
It would also make sense. I say this for a few reasons.
1) Things are beyond the help of a few good people doing the right thing. Things, I think, are so far gone now (and that's as of today, God only knows what its going to look like in our secular world 5 or 10 years from now) that only a direct intervention of God where He illuminates every person on earth that there is 'right' and there is 'wrong' (and that that reality is not based on your 'feelings' etc like most people think now).
2) We've had 9-11, 2 major tsunamis, we have isis beheading children and now Planned satanhood selling baby body parts.....FOR MONEY! and people are still like " Wow,...really...wow....what's on TV tonite? What are you dressing as for Halloween?".
It seems like people are asleep -- or they just feel powerless.
So, any major event will have to be 10 x what the tsunami's were to awaken humanity.
As we've seen from the events I just mentioned -- people get shocked, go to Church for 3 weeks, have a big concert and give tons of money to the Red Cross (which pays many of its higher ups into the 100'thousand dollar range, which is another sad state of how things have gotten).
What is coming must be on a scale so big that it literally makes people look at their lives in a way that they never have before. If, if....Medjugorje is to be believed then what the 6 say - makes sense -- the first 3 secrets will shake humanity- and then a visible sign will be left as proof that She has been there for all of this time - and then -- the last secrets will occur to clean things up. After everyone has the ability (bc of the first secrets) to take a look at themselves and make a decision. (because as of now, and I think we can all agree on this -- most people are in a fog and see many things as grey and not black and white).
As we've all discussed -- its fun to talk about the possibility of all these things -- but to stay grounded.
I think we talk about them bc we are all excited by the prospects of this coming change: our hearts yearn for a better world. We see americans selling baby parts and we think "Lord, come now -- we can't keep going like this".
United in prayer
Michael Patrick




KP said...

Definitely true with the last part there Michael. We all realize how messed up the world has become and needs fixing.

I don't know about the whole literal 3 days or darkness, illumination of conscience, sign in the sky, etc. It seems to me to be against the character of God. God always leaves enough evidence to be believed, but doesn't overwhelm us to force us to accept Him. Putting huge crosses in the sky and worldwide supernatural events seems to cross over that line. I could see that perhaps as a last event just before the 2nd coming, just to give people an obvious chance to repent before He returns and it's too late.... but to do that, force people to recognize His existence, and then wait around during some long period.... just seems contrary to how God has always worked through history.

Mark W said...

Michael Patrick - "our hearts yearn for a better world. We see americans selling baby parts and we think 'Lord, come now -- we can't keep going like this'." Amen brother. I was talking to my wife the other day about something like this. When I was in the service in the early 80s: the Soviets had the centrally planned economy, they had the surveillance state, they had informers, they were the cultural atheists, they had personality cults for their politicians, and we had "majority rules". Today, we have the centrally planned economy (Federal Reserve), we have the surveillance state (NSA), we have the informers ("If you see something, say something."), we have cultural atheists in charge of a lot of the country, our politicians have more of a cult of personality than substance, and we now have "the majority of the Supreme Court rules" (or, really, how is Anthony Kennedy feeling today). How have we fallen so far in only 35 years?

Jason R. said...

I don't come here super regularly, but I sure love reading these comments sections, and other than the odd poster i.e. that anonymous poster being pretty rude, it's heartening to see people with a wide diversity of opinion allowing pluralism when it comes to opinion allow lively discussion without getting overly personal; I don't see this anywhere else outside of the Church, where often if you have a different opinion you are instantly considered the embodiment of all that is evil, haha. I think my personal opinions on current events and what's to come most closely line up with Mark W., but I enjoy all the perspectives and information that I get reading these comment sections immensely.

I spent many years as a Local president of a trade union representing about 3,000 members in 4 different bargaining units, and got so much flak from people I worked with because of my Pro-Life stance, and at the same time got a lot of flak from fellow Knights of Columbus for my work representing workers and advocating for the poor, even though I was active with the main Catholic charity in Canada, Development and Peace. I often felt I was getting it from both ends while I was just trying to lead my life according to the Social Teachings of the Church.

On a completely different topic, I was wondering if any one here has had an enthronement of the Sacred and Immaculate Hearts in their homes? I was wanting to for awhile, but my wife was a little resistant to the idea. She's a Disc Carmelite and her spirituality seems to be drawn more to keeping things simple, and she thinks if I spent half the time in prayer that I do in ritual and speculation about prophecies and such that I would be doing myself a lot bigger favour.

But recently after discussing it on and off for some time she was at the main Catholic supply store in a neighbouring city that we frequent, and out of nowhere one of the clerks brought her two pictures, one of the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the other the Immaculate Heart of Mary, very old framed and large paintings probably from the late 19th century; the clerk said they had been kicking around the back of their store room for decades and was wondering if she would be interested in having them for free.

That coincidence convinced her that there must be some merit to this enthronement ceremony, and after some mild cajoling I was able to convince our Parish priest to perform it in exchange for a nice home-cooked Filipino meal over the summer. We try to have an active prayer life with our three daughters and have our house blessed once a year, keep sacramentals and a holy water font at the front door to bless ourselves, all that good stuff, but since we had the enthronement and have a little shrine in the living room, the increase in the amount of peace in the household has been nothing short of amazing. The kids no longer bickering all the time, just less tension in the air, it's been like night and day, and doesn't seem to be just a passing thing either as it's been several months now and things are still just fantastic in the family.

I just thought I'd share my happy news and, as I wrote above, was wondering if anyone else has had an enthronement of this nature, and if so, if they noticed a perceptible change in their family units after doing so.

God bless, looking forward to reading more here, as always,

Jason R.

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