Tuesday, 24 December 2013

Our Lady of Zeitoun and the Flight into Egypt




For those readers who have not got round to reading some of my earlier posts, I thought it might be worth re-posting a previous article dealing with the apparitions of Our Lady of Zeitoun. Although they did not actually begin during the period of Advent itself, thematically, they are the most Christmas-focused of the modern apparitions that have been approved by the Catholic Church. And given the symbolic nature of their content, I believe they are the most important Marian apparitions next to Fatima.

Merry Christmas everyone!


During the season of Advent, I thought it would be appropriate to reflect some more on the significance of the apparitions of Our Lady in Egypt (affectionately known to believers as Our Lady of Light), and their remarkable paralells to the vision of the Woman adorned with the Sun described in the Book of Revelation. Despite being witnessed on an unprecedented scale by hundreds of thousands, if not millions of individuals, these apparitions have been widely overlooked by the Western media, and indeed by many Catholics. The apparitions of Our Lady of Light, which have occurred from April 1968 to the present (the most recent of which being in October 2011 - see my earlier post Our Lady Appears in Egypt Again) are the only known precedent of the category of visions known in Catholic theology as visio sensibilis (an actual physical manifestation) to be witnessed on such an extraordinary scale. (You can find many excellent articles detailing these apparitions at the Zeitoun website, Miracle Hunter, and Medjugorje USA, amongst others).
The only other Marian apparition witnessed on a comparable scale is that of the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima, which again is to be differentiated from those of Our Lady of Light in the fact that the Virgin  Mary could only be seen by the three shepherd children. Instead of receiving visions of Our Lady, the crowds at Fatima witnessed the Sun spinning and dancing in the sky at the Cova de Iria .The Miracle of the Sun itself may have been a combination of unusual weather phenomena with the visio imaginativa class of vision (which whilst fully visible to the seer, these apparitions are perceived only through the mind's eye), since there was a small minority of people who could not see what the rest of the crowd were experiencing.  We must also keep in mind that the numbers of those who have witnessed the apparitions of Our Lady of Light far outweigh the estimated 70,000 people present during the Miracle of the Sun.
Despite being officially recognised as authentic by the local Cardinal Patriarch, the fact that Our Lady chose to appear over Coptic churches in Egypt, rather than Catholic churches elsewhere in the world has baffled some commentators, and can perhaps explain the lack of adequate devotion to these apparitions amongst Catholics.  It seems that many have failed to recognise the true significance of these apparitions lies above all in their timing and location. The Virgin Mary chose to appear over Coptic churches for two very simple reasons - firstly because she is re-tracing the steps of the Holy Family's flight into Egypt (and the vast majority of churches in Egypt are Coptic, especially those in locations associated with the sojourn of the Holy Family), and secondly, that despite not being in full communion with Rome, they show that Our Lady has deep love and respect for the Coptic Church, which like the rest of Oriental Orthodoxy, as well as the Eastern Orthodox Church, offers a great devotion to her.
While some have recognised that Our Lady is in some way re-enacting the journey of the Holy Family during their flight into Egypt, none (to my knowledge) have went on to ponder the primary reason for their escape into the Egyptian wilderness and attempt to re-apply the same conditions to a modern context; or compare them with the account of Woman adorned with the Sun given in Rev 12 - which is basically the story of the nativity seen through an apocalyptic lens. 
The main and indeed only reason that the Holy Family fled into Egypt, was to escape from King Herod, who in an attempt to quash any potential Messianic usurpers to his throne, had ordered the massacre of any infants in the vicinity of Bethlehem under two years of age:

Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, “Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you, for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him.” And he rose and took the child and his mother by night and departed to Egypt and remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet, “Out of Egypt I called my son.”
Then Herod, when he saw that he had been tricked by the wise men, became furious, and he sent and killed all the male children in Bethlehem and in all that region who were two years old or under, according to the time that he had ascertained from the wise men. Then was fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet Jeremiah:
“A voice was heard in Ramah, weeping and loud lamentation, Rachel weeping for her children;
she refused to be comforted, because they are no more.”
But when Herod died, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, saying, “Rise, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the child's life are dead.” And he rose and took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel.
(Matt 2:13-21)

If we compare the above passage in the Gospel of Matthew with the account of the Woman adorned with the Sun in Rev 12, we can see that this portion of the Book of Revelation is an apocalyptic version of the story of the nativity:

And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth. And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days. (Rev 12:1-6)

This portion of the Apocalypse is recapitulated again after a brief interlude describing the "War in Heaven" between the archangel Michael and Satan, who is cast from the heavenly throne room to earth:

And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle so that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with a flood. But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river that the dragon had poured from his mouth. Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.(Rev 12:13-17)

The equation of the Woman adorned with the Sun with the Virgin Mary is a long standing tradition in the Catholic Church, as is attested by the various icons (such as Our Lady of Guadalupe) which depict her as arrayed with the radiance of the Sun, a crown of stars, and with a cresent moon at her feet. This asssociation has recently been re-affirmed by Pope Benedict XVI during his address honouring Our Lady at the feast of the Immaculate Conception on 8th December 2011 (seehere).



The Crescent Moon under the feet of Our Lady of Guadalupe. The "horns" of this crescent shape most likely represent Satan, who positions himself at Our Lady's feet in an attempt to devour her offspring. But ultimately Our Lady is the one who crushes the Serpent's head. The word Guadalupe is thought to be taken from the Aztec Nahuatl word Coatlaxopeuh (pronounced "quatlachupe") which means "the one who crushes the serpent".



The seven-headed dragon which positions itself at the woman's feet, ready to devour her child upon birth represents Herod's intentions to destroy the Child Jesus after his birth in Bethlehem. Herod's attempt to kill Our Lord at birth is also hinted at again later in the chapter, when the serpent pours out flood waters to sweep away the Woman and Child. To escape from this threat the Woman is given the "two wings of the great eagle" and escapes into the wilderness for a "time, times and half a time", or three and a half years - which according to Coptic tradition is exactly the length of time the Holy Family sojourned in Egypt. According to this tradition, after the Holy Family reached Assiut (the location of the apparitions in the year 2000), they turned back to re-trace their journey in the Egyptian wilderness, and when they reached Gabal Dranka (the location of the apparitons during the year 2001) Joseph recieved his dream telling them to go back to the land of Israel. This has led many commentators to suggest  that the year 2000 was the turning point of this re-enactment of the flight into Egypt, with the apparitions now making the homeward journey.

The backdrop of Egypt is doubly significant, as this is the location of the original "slaughter of the innocents" as recounted in the Book of Exodus, which acts as a precusor to Herod's massacre of the infants of Bethlehem:

 Now there arose a new king over Egypt, who did not know Joseph. And he said to his people, “Behold, the people of Israel are too many and too mighty for us. Come, let us deal shrewdly with them, lest they multiply, and, if war breaks out, they join our enemies and fight against us and escape from the land...”

 ...Then Pharaoh commanded all his people, “Every son that is born to the Hebrews you shall cast into the Nile, but you shall let every daughter live.” (Exod 1:8-10; 22)

And then again later in the Book of Exodus, we are told how the angel of death, or "Destroyer" as he is called in the original Hebrew (which recalls the Destroyer - "Apolloyon" or "Abaddon" of Rev 9), kills the Egyptian firstborn:

 Then Moses called all the elders of Israel and said to them, “Go and select lambs for yourselves according to your clans, and kill the Passover lamb. Take a bunch of hyssop and dip it in the blood that is in the basin, and touch the lintel and the two doorposts with the blood that is in the basin. None of you shall go out of the door of his house until the morning. For the LORD will pass through to strike the Egyptians, and when he sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the LORD will pass over the door and will not allow the destroyer to enter your houses to strike you...
(Exod 12:21-23)

 ...At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the captive who was in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of the livestock. And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he and all his servants and all the Egyptians. And there was a great cry in Egypt, for there was not a house where someone was not dead. (Exod 12:29-30)

It is also interesting to note that the Greek word used for "place" in Rev 12 - topos, is used elsewhere in the New Testament with the meaning of "temple" or "sanctuary". So the passage in Rev 12 could also be translated as "But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle so that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the temple where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time" - a translation which certainly evokes imagery of the apparitions of Our Lady of Light, which to date have almost exclusively occurred over church buildings.


So once we have determined that the primary reason for the the flight of the Holy Family into Egypt was the "slaughter of the innocents", we can see that this heavenly re-enactment of the nativity was to announce to the world that it was about to partake in a modern day "slaughter of the innocents". I will post a quote from my book Unveiling the Apocalypse on this subject below:

Just as the original flight of the Holy Family into Egypt was necessitated by an act of mass infanticide, these apparitions of the Virgin Mary in Egypt began to appear amidst the backdrop of what was the beginning of the greatest act of infanticide the world has ever known – the legalisation of abortion. The year in which the apparitions in Zeitoun first occurred was a pivotal moment in process behind the legalisation of abortion. The Abortion Act in the UK came into effect during April 1968, the same month the apparitions began to take place. This year also saw President Lyndon Johnson's Committee on The Status of Women publishing a report calling for a repeal of all abortion laws in the US. The implementation of the UK Abortion Act was the major turning point in international abortion law, and was soon to be followed by a host of other nations. By mid-1969 ten US states had loosened their abortion laws, including Colorado, North Carolina, California, Georgia, Maryland, Arkansas, Kansas, Delaware, Oregon and New Mexico. Abortion on demand was eventually established after the US Supreme Court deemed individual state bans on abortion to be unconstitutional following the Roe v Wade case in 1973. 
In France, women seeking an abortion began to travel to the UK to have the procedure after the Abortion Act came into effect in 1968. The relative ease of travelling to the UK to procure an abortion would lead to France revising its own abortion laws, and abortion was finally legalised in France in 1975.
Therefore the appearances of the Virgin Mary in Egypt occurred at the exact moment the floodgates in abortion law had been opened. Was this a heavenly response to the blood of millions of innocents crying from the ground? (Unveiling the Apocalypse 
p201)



Marian apparition often occur before periods of great upheaval. Perhaps most famously, Our Lady appeared at Fatima just before the rise of communist Russia - with the miracle of the Sun on the 13th October 1917 directly coinciding with the October Revolution which saw the Bolsheviks rise to power within a month. The other Church approved apparition at Beauraing and Banneux, in Belgium during the years 1932 and 1933 respectively appeared just before the rise to power of Hitler, who was made chancellor of Germany on 30th January 1933 - the same month when the first apparitions at Banneux occurred on the 15th. The apparitions at Kibeho, Rwanda, between 1981-1989 prophesied the Rwandian genocide, which was to claim the lives of an estimated 800,000 people in 1994, including one of the visionaries - Marie Claire. While the significance of the apparitions at Zeitoun are thought by some to be related to the Six Day War of 1967, it is much more likely to concern the legalisation of abortion, given the above background context. The fact that the Six Day War took place before these apparitions would also indicate that the Zeitoun apparitions were not related to this event, since all the other apparitions appeared before the events occurred. Our Lady first began to appear at Zeitoun on 2nd April 1968, and the UK Abortion Act was brought into effect just weeks later on 27th April.
Now that the apparitions of Our Lady of Light are in the process of making the return journey, we are left to reflect upon Matthew's quote of Hosea 11:1: "Out of Egypt I called my Son". During the season of Advent, the Church looks not only to the first coming of Christ, but it also focuses on His Second Coming. The birth-pangs of the Woman adorned with the Sun indicates that the Second Advent is near. Could these apparitions, which appear to be the ultimate fulfillment of the prophecy of the Woman adorned with the Sun, signal that God is calling his Son out of Egypt to return to His earthly homeland?

94 comments:

Jamey said...

Brilliant stuff Emmett.

I have read of Muslims having a devotion to Our Lady. In fact I was recently driving through one of the rougher suburbs of Perth recently and was surprised to see St Mary's Mosque. Reading about the Atlas Martyrs in Algeria a statue of our Lady was damaged at the monastery and the Muslim women were so upset they would bring flowers to her and also offer up prayers to her.

Merry Christmas to everyone and their families!

Tomas said...

A terrifying thought - The birth of Christ was heralded by Herod in killing the Holy Innocents. If the current pervasiveness of abortion is another killing of Holy Innocents (and a number of people have considered those killed to be some sort of martyr), then what do they herald?

You've alluded, Emmett, to a heralding of the Second Coming. But perhaps this is also (well, it actually WOULD be also) a herald of anti-Christ. Satan knows only how to ape. If he heralded the birth of God's son with killing of innocents, why not herald the "birth" of his own "son" with the killing of an astronomical number of innocents. He'd be aping himself in trying to ape how the Son of God appeared. Nothing but an ape.

Tomas said...

A bit less apocalyptic (though I know no one here minds that) perhaps this could also be signifying that from Egypt will come new life for the Church - an overcoming of the oldest of schisms. There is fear that the current troubles may lead to a destruction of middle eastern Christians, but one must always remember Tertullian - "The Blood of the Martyrs is the seed of the Church." What great wonder God can bring from such evil is a beauty eye has not seen nor ear heard.

Anonymous said...

Merry Christmas, Emmett!

And Merry Chrismas to all who read this blog and comment.

Christ has been born. And He came to die. That little Baby in the manger, who is God, came to die so you might live. Rejoice!

~Hannah

Jamey said...

Tomas said:

"You've alluded, Emmett, to a heralding of the Second Coming. But perhaps this is also (well, it actually WOULD be also) a herald of anti-Christ. Satan knows only how to ape. If he heralded the birth of God's son with killing of innocents, why not herald the "birth" of his own "son" with the killing of an astronomical number of innocents. He'd be aping himself in trying to ape how the Son of God appeared. Nothing but an ape."

Nicely put Tomas. Fr Vince Miceli made the same point in his book Antichrist - that in the last days there will be an attack on the sanctity of life and connected it with abortion. The thing is even in the 1950's when Catholic mystics such as Blessed Aiello and Pope Pius XII were saying there was more sin in the world than at the time of the deluge I think no-one would have had any idea on the massacre that has since taken place. Once again connecting up to the Third Secret to be released in 1960.

Muv said...

Happy Christmas Emmett.

Thank you for this post - well timed and very interesting.

The correlation between the start of the Zeitoun apparitions and the bringing into effect the 1967 Abortion Act is quite remarkable. I have vivid memories of those times. My dad wrote letter after letter to MPs. Did they take any notice of him? Course not. He was incensed by the particularly spineless reply from our local MP. I was about 11 when I was taken on a march in Birmingham before the
Act was passed and heard a speech about the horrendous statistics for abortions in communist countries. Russia and her errors writ large. What does Stalin mean? Who introduced the Private Member's Bill in Parliament? Cryptic quiz for those who don't already know...

I have always found it fascinating that the Aztec word given to the apparition of Our Lady to St. Juan Diego sounded sufficiently similar to Spanish ears for them to name the apparition after the original Our Lady of Guadalupe in Spain. Our Lady travelled with the Spaniards straight from one spiritual battle to the next - from the final ousting of the Moors from Spain in January 1492, then to the first sighting of the New World by Columbus's expedition on 12th October 1492, feast day of Our Lady of the Pillar.

This morning while looking at the crib during Mass I was thinking about the Spanish expression meaning to give birth, "dar la luz", literally, to give light to a child. Just what Our Lady did at Christmas - gave light to the Child, and brought forth the Light of the World. How lovely that you have posted about Our Lady of Light for Christmas.

mariana said...

Beautifully written Emmett! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.

Paul said...

David Steele Muv. from the abominable Liberal party May God have mercy on his soul.

Anonymous said...

Emmett,

There is another important connection of these Marian apparitions to abortion, in that the angel first appeared to the children of Fatima in 1916, the same year that Margaret Sanger opened a Planned Parenthood women's clinic for contraception. Furthermore, exactly 33 years to the day prior to the great Miracle of the Sun in Fatima, on October 13, 1884, Pope Leo XIII had that famous vision where he heard a conversation between God and Satan. God gave Satan 75-100 years to test His people. No one is sure when this test period began, but it is surmised it began on October 13th, 1917. I have thought that the coincidental opening of Planned Parenthood in the year the angel appeared is the beginning of this trial. I am not sure now about the dates in 1916, but I am thinking this also occurred in October. Some research would have to be done because most sources do not specify the month.

Jean

Anonymous said...

Date of First Birth Control Clinic:


http://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/secure/aboutms/organization_brownsville_clinic.html

Anonymous said...

Happy New Year, Emmett, et al!

Just posted (see below) on Extinction Protocol. May we all be in God's good graces.

Pax Christi, jennifer

December 27, 2013 – CANARY ISLANDS – Something is going on under El Hierro, and recent events suggest this time things could be dramatically different. Two years after a new underwater volcano appeared offshore of El Hierro in the Canary Islands, earthquake swarms and a sudden change in height suggest a new eruption is brewing near the island’s villages, officials announced today (Dec. 27). After the announcement, one of the largest temblors ever recorded at the volcanic island, a magnitude-5.4 earthquake, struck offshore of El Hierro at 12:46 p.m. ET (5:46 p.m. local time) today, the National Geographic Institute reported. Residents on the island reported strong shaking, and the quake was felt throughout the Canary Islands, according to news reports. The earthquake’s epicenter was 13 miles (22 kilometers) deep. Before the earthquake struck early this afternoon, the island’s volcano monitoring agency, Pelvolca, had raised the volcanic eruption risk for El Hierro to “yellow.” This warning means that activity is increasing at the volcano, but no eruption is imminent. A similar burst of activity prompted a yellow warning in June 2012, but the volcano soon quieted down. –TEP, LS

Jamey said...

Thanks for the updates on El Hierro Jennifer. Emmett believes there will be the rise of the Antichrist after the US is decimated by a tidal wave after "the mountain of fire" is cast into the sea. This would happen due to the "economic and political vacuum" left by the carnage. I should add that Emmett thinks there will be an era of peace first but if that were not to occur and the US is hit my a colossal tidal wave soon there is every chance the "man of sin" will enter the equation. Given the reign of 42 months this would also leave 2017 as the year of chastisement.

mariana said...

Rev 8:8 - "And the second angel sounded, and AS IT WERE a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood." Emmett, the words AS IT WERE might be used as an idiom, which may not mean exactly what it appears to mean. "A great mountain burning with fire" can be a meteorite crashing through the atmosphere "thrown into the sea." Even an hydrogen thermonuclear bomb exploded under the ocean looks like a huge mountain of fire, that can destroy a third part of the ships, marine life, etc. Two hundred of these warheads can wipe 200 large cities in 8 minutes. It's possible that the technology God has endowed man to create, instead of using it for good, we use it to destroy our planet and ourselves.

Peterman said...

This is perhaps off topic or perhaps not as the demons were supposed to have been released to roam the earth. It seems like there are quite a few instances of this howling clatter all over the world. The recent one occurred at the new World Trade Center building in NYC
http://www.youtube.comhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG9Mjx-Ca-M

and world trade center:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4eMyHqF31w

Jamey said...

Peterman,

Sungenis thinks the 200,000,000 horsemen in the Apocalypse refers to demons unleashed on humanity and gives some pretty decent reasons why. Although diabolical activity has been present since the Fall I think this unleashing of demons happened in 1960. I think this is part of Sr Lucia's "chastisement from Heaven is imminent" comment in 1957 and this in itself is a huge chastisement.

Also:
- Sr Lucia saying in the same year that the devil is preparing for a decisive war especially against priests.
- Quito where it was mentioned the church would be clouded in demonic smoke (and by extension the rest of the world) in the second half of the 20th century.
- Pope Paul VI's comment about the smoke of Satan entering the temple.

Since the 200 million horsemen are mentioned in Rev 9:16 it falls in the range of Rev 8-13 which the 3rd Secret meant to be released in 1960 corresponds to. Sungenis goes on to mention how else can we get abortion, people thinking life arose from chance, general Godlessness and immorality that we have - there is a massive diabolical element to it. The unleashing of demons was a punishment to an already sinful humanity.

Also I think this attack will culminate in our dear church split in half during this papacy. During Benedict's papacy I felt we wouldn't see cardinal vs cardinal but I am now near certain it will happen during this reign.

mariana said...

Jamey, the split has happened already. Freemasons have already infiltrated the Church, and it was during Vatican II, that they were able to bring division into the Church. Modernism and Masonic ideals corrupted The Catholic Clergy and Religious. They failed in their missions to protect and convert the 'flock.' We are in tribulation already.

mariana said...

But Mary is forming the apostles of the second evangelization during these troubled times. They are announcing to the world the Gospel of Jesus. Our Lady already began building her army to counteract Satan's plans with the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception. These are Marian times! She is appearing everywhere. Her messages are telling us God's mercy is about to end, and the era of God's justice will soon arrive.

Jamey said...

At Akita we are told there will come a time when cardinals and bishops will oppose one another - so that was still to occur in the mid 70's which was post VII. The recent article on lifesitenews showed Cardinal Kasper thinking the church will go down the route of permitting "remarrieds" communion. If something like this goes down which wouldn't surprise then I think many bishops and cardinals will not be quiet as they were VII and post, there will be a very public and open fight.

I say it wouldn't surprise that such a fiasco would happen it is worthwhile checking out the following article on the "Martini Pope":

http://www.cfnews.org/page88/files/065837621bedf51d45b91a5e75699ef5-174.html

Peterman said...

I saw that article "Martini Pope" on pewsitter today. I don't disagree with the article, I believe we're already in those times and I also believe there will be a big schism or split if it can't be considered that it's happened already. Look at the sniping by the modernist Wuerl against Burke. Look at the warrior Bishop Tobin in Rhode Island, he's basically saying I oppose these statements by the bishop of rome. Look at Paprocki in Illinois who exorcised the state after gay marriage was announced. That's a courageous bishop, doing his job!

Praise God there are some good Bishops out there who are speaking the truth. The SSPX does appear to be the lifeboat of the Church at this point. I don't agree with all their stuff but at some point it's likely we'll need some safe harbor. If the Bishop of Rome announces some definite statement or dogma (not a bad translation or "you're just misinterpreting"). But if he comes out with some crazy thing, it's time to head to the life boats and shove off. This sounds harsh or possibly crazy but what's more crazy is the stuff like Ms. Chouqui and the tweets that are coming from the Bishop of Rome about Our Lady and the "rosary counters" snarky comment.

mariana said...

The internal war of church politics continues. And it will probably continue until some extraordinary event happens. Today at a time when the voice of the church is increasingly irrelevant for not taking a strong stand on critical moral issues, people often do not pay attention to a local Bishop who is antagonistic to the fruit and mystical graces of apparition sites that have changed the lives of so many like Akita, Lady of Nations, Knock, Garabandal, Medjugorje. Herein lies a problem that is confusing to the faithful. Dozens of Cardinals and hundreds of Bishops have visited Medjugorje and the other apparition sites as pilgrims and observers and have come away supporting it. To some extent this will partially fulfill the prophecy of LaSalette, Akita, and others that will see "Cardinals against Cardinals, Bishops against Bishops and priest against priests," as this is what we are seeing now over the differences of places like Medjugorje, Lady of All Nations, Lady of Knock, and Garabandal. We see a difference of opinions and hostility by a number of Bishops and priests against Akita, even after there were numerous witnesses of Eucharistic miracles. A special investigation commission, convened by Archbishop Shirayanagi of the Tokyo Archdiocese, came to the conclusion in 1980 that, the supernatural nature of the events of Akita can not be proven. Even Cardinal Bertone supported the commission. If it wasn't for the on going persistence of Bishop Ito, Akita today would not be acknowledged. Two commissions could not prove supernaturality with Akita! I ask why do those Bishops on both commissions not approve or admit to how important this event was to be a place where people visit and pray, receive graces and consolation, experience conversion and make good resolutions, and give thanksgiving and praise? The work of the devil is to divide. And he has done this even in the Church. The events that took place at Akita address the Blessed Virgin as Co-Redemptrix. This 5th Dogma has Satan grinding his teeth and lashing out against Our Lady sharing in Her Son's suffering. Her mission at Akita, as Co-Redemptrix has never ended, and it continues to this very day. The division in our Church is caused by different factions. But, unless, we join with this Pope and the Bishops in union with him to correct modernist errors of interpretation of the Catholic faith after Vatican II, we will see a new schism of HUGE PROPORTION. I agree with you Jamey. The message of Our Lady on June 17, 1989, through the Marian Movement of Priests said, "The Apostasy will be as then generalized, because almost all will follow the false Christ and the false church." The proclamation of the Blessed Mother as Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix, and Advocate - the last final dogma of the Catholic Church will actually bring persecution. These events will pave the way for the movement of the anti-church and the anti-pope. This does not mean our Pope is an anti-pope. On the contrary, Pope Francis is no modernist, but today, some seem to believe he is. The battle lines are drawn. The Modernist's think they are winning. And the Traditionalists who refuse to work with the Pope are even more divided. All that has been predicted is being fulfilled. Come Holy Spirit and help us to unite under the resurrection of the Roman Catholic Church in a new form in the glorious era of peace with a remnant Church. We need unity.

Peterman said...

Mariana, Medjugorje is fake, it's a deception from the devil. The late Fr. Malachi Martin pointed out how the seers at Medjugorje did not follow the orders of their bishop and this lack of obedience is evidence enough. Add to that the the "seers" have purchased fine homes and cars based on their fame. This is garbage, Please take some time to discern this deception if you actually believe in it. Would a saintly perso who sees our Lady then drive a fancy car and ownn an expensive gated home? It's pure bs. Also, you can watch the video made by a french cameeraman where he flicks a finger in the eye of the supposed seer whilst they were in an ecstatic vison. They blinked, it's pure bs, leave it to the French to figure it out in two seconds.

"our Pope is not the antipope" I never thought Pope Benedict was did you? That's the first I heard anyone suggest Pope Benedict was an anti pope.

Anonymous said...

Jamey,

Emmett has done much research on the timeline of apocalyptic events. I tend to agree with his conclusions. That is why the Canary Islands' recent earthquakes and landslides has my keen attention. Especially, since my family and I reside in southeastern Pennsylvania, USA. We have seven children, 2yrs-20yrs. I fervently pray for wisdom as to know and fortitude to carry out God's will for our family. It is easy to abandon oneself to the will of God, but as a mother and wife, I struggle to balance all those concerned; their needs; their wants; their concerns. Please keep me in your prayers. I shall keep you in mine. God bless you all.

Pax Christi,
jennifer

Mark W said...

Hannah - Could you email me? markwindsor3 [< at )\[ yahoo (d ot[} com

Just glanced at this briefly.

Mariana - Revelation 8:8 is not idiomatic. The word in the Vulgate is tamquam. That would be "like, as if, as it were, as". In Greek it's:

Καὶ ὁ δεύτερος ἄγγελος ἐσάλπισεν· καὶ ὡς ὄρος μέγα πυρὶ καιόμενον ἐβλήθη εἰς τὴν θάλασσαν· καὶ ἐγένετο τὸ τρίτον τῆς θαλάσσης αἷμα,

The key for your purposes is "ὡς" which means, "even as, like" but it's one of those Greek words that has a lot of different meaning. In this context, "as if" is a good translation. A literal translation would be:

"And the second angel sounds/trumpets, and as if a mount/mountain great fiery burning was cast into the sea and became a third of the sea blood."

So, yes, it could be something like a mountain of fire, rather than a mountain of fire. But an equally legit translation would make it more substantive. The Greek seems to tie this to the hail of fire in the previous verse.

Your analysis is correct.

Jamey - Remember, I said that we were looking at sometime before early June of next year. That fits with the 42 months.

mariana said...

Oh dear Peterman, your sarcasm does not prove you right. In 1989 Cardinal Schonborn told CARDINAL RATZINGER, "If Medjugorje were closed, we would also have to close the Seminary in Vienna, because the majority of those candidates had received their call to the priesthood through Medjugorje." CARDINAL RATZINGER then responded, "CLOSING MEDJUGORJE IS NOT EVEN AN OPTION." Are you telling us Peterman, that Martin Malachi's opinion over- rides that of Pope Benedict's? Maybe you should read (Mark 7:6-8), "You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God, in order to keep your tradition!" warned Christ. Are we using rituals, devotion and traditions to extend our inner spiritual life and journey? Have you forgotten Peterman, the story of the woman who annointed Jesus with expensive oil? Do you remember the criticism of her using expensive oil as an extravagance? Instead of criticizing Ivan's money, should we not celebrate instead on the message? "Peace, Peace, Peace!"




mariana said...

Thank you Mark for your response. I didn't mean to say Rev 8:8 was an idiom. What I meant was the expression of the "mountain of fire" may mean something other than the literal meaning. And I am not saying, the Canary Island tsunami may not happen either, I mean it could very well happen. Akita's prophecy of "Fire falling from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful," just doesn't sound to me like a tsunami. And if we are comparing it to Rev 8:8, well to me personally and this is just my opinion, take it or leave it, it sounds more like a meteor.

mariana said...

And well, I know I will disappoint some, but Akita's prophecy, "Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only arms that will remain for you will be the rosary and the Sign left by My Son," also tells me it may be spiritual. The prophecy may be explaining the Warning, and the "Sign left by My Son," may be the Miracle of Garabandal. Okay, okay give me some slack with this other version, please. After all, this is just an opinion.

Jamey said...

Mariana,

You engage in what what one commenter here called "apparition worship". There is a lack of objectivity in your comments and they are also verbose and hysterical.

Medjugorje condemns itself (the early tapes expose the seers as liers, they received "heavenly messages" that resulted in the deaths of innocent people, there is virtually no discernment, large sums of money involved, faked ecstasy and then caught out etc). E.Michael Jones was told by then Cardinal Ratzinger himself that he believed it to be a fraud so don't believe the spin machine of medj tv. But we are going over old ground again.

Peterman said...

Mariane,

God gave you the power to discern, if the "seers" flinch during an "ecstasy" and now are wealthy and drive BMW's and own gates homes and hotels. It's common sense Mariane. We have Church approved appartions at Fatima, Lourdes, Mexico and many other places, no need to go chasing folly. By their fruits you will know them our Lord said.

Please provide a link where the Cardinal (not yet pope) Ratzinger said that statement you claim he said. Below is a link to the many, many falsehoods and contradictions of Medjugorje and another link to the ZERO vocations which have come out of Medjugorje. Zero vocations Mariane? By their fruits you shall know them.

http://www.mycatholicsource.com/mcs/pc/the_Blessed_Virgin/medjugorje_true_or_false.htm

Zero vocations:
http://catholiclight.stblogs.org/index.php/2010/04/six-medjugorje/

Peterman said...

Mariane, there is nothing wrong with the Akita prophecy or the messages, unlike Medjugorje it WAS approved by the local Bishop who was not overruled by Rome and thus supported by Rome. Cardinal Ratzinger did say to a Vatican diplomat (Howard Dee) form the Phillipines that the Akita message is essentially the same as Fatima. The diplomat is on record saying that Cardinal Ratzinger told him this.

mariana said...

Come on Jamey, be truthful and end your criticism towards me. What are you so afraid of? Why don't you tell the truth about Medjugorje? Everyone knows it's not approved by Roman Catholic authorities, but it is not CONDEMNED, it is under investigation. Pope Bendedict has never discouraged anyone regarding Medjugorje. Both Benedict and John Paul II found little trouble in accepting what was being said in Medjugorje and both sought to protect it. Find me the evidence that either one of them have condemned the apparition site? Medjugorje's message of great hope, peace and reconciliation has seriously brought more conversions and vocations than any other place in modern history. It's impact throughout the world is unprecedented in Church history with its fruits reaching people of all nations. Now, what's so hysterical about that?

Peterman said...

Mariana, human intelligence is no match for angelic intelligence. We're the equivalent of pre schoolers to the devils doctorate level. We may not clearly see what the evil one is up to in Medjugorje but we can discern in the way our Lord taught us. By their fruits you shall know them. BMW's, gated homes, owning hotels, a priest laicized by Pope Benedict: Rotten fruits. Run far away.

I can guarantee you the blessed virgin is not appearing to such people nor has she ever.

mariana said...

Peterman, I am neutral on Medjugorje. But if you can't see the good fruits in Medjugorje, you have a problem. There are more than 150 Confessors working without interruption every day, millions of people have taken Communion (more than Fatima), 30,000 priests and bishops have visited the site, in the USA 600 Medjugorje prayer groups have been formed; in Austria 500; and several hundred in Italy. It has been a spiritual crusade! The messages have reached more than 16 million visitors; even the war which ravaged Bosnia for over 4 years never stopped the flow of pilgrims. Now, I don't know if the visionaries are legit. But I certainly will not lie or deny this alleged apparition's good fruits. We shall have to wait and see what the Vatican says. In the meantime, enjoy the good fruits. Why assume the worst?

Jamey said...

Mariana said:

"Why assume the worst?"

Don't nibble people all of the questions have been conclusively answered here before and "she" knows it.

Don't feed the troll.

mariana said...

Come on Jamey, behave. Why call anyone a troll? We are all good Catholics here. Changing the subject to Akita, I want to correct what I said before. I now believe Akita is the Chastisement if we don't go back to God. Conchita in Garabandal spoke of the Chastisement as a similar event. She said, "This punishment is conditional upon whether or not mankind heeds the messages of the Blessed Virgin Mary." In describing the Chastisement, Mari Loli said: "It would be worse than having fire on top of us - fire underneath us and fire all around us. She saw people throwing themselves into the sea, but instead of putting the fire out it seemed to make them burn more."

Anonymous said...

The Devil wants to deceive even the elect. Our Lord Jesus Christ said so and he told us to 'watch out.'

I can care less about Medjugorje. It doesn't affect my spiritual life and never will. I get the Faith from the Latin Mass (as my forefathers did in case everyone forgot), not that sentimental nonsense that "lady" talks about over there, whoever and whatever it is. It's certainly not the Mother of God.

People can't wait for the instant messages from "Heaven" every day. Know why? Because they don't get the authentic Faith and they haven't gotten it for 50 years. So, they look to Medjugorje because it's so glamorous. Meanwhile, the true apparitions of the Blessed Virgin get ignored and Our Lady weeps because of it.

Like my Priest says, the Mother of God doesn't "flap the mouth" for 30 years for no good reason. He calls it "diarrhea of the mouth." LOL. It's true. Think about it.

Medjugorje is just a continuation of the charismatic movement, which is not Catholic and needs to be rooted out of the Church. You want to be Protestant? Go ahead. You have free will. But, don't bring the nonsense into the Catholic Church. Satan sure has succeeded but when the restoration comes, he'll be crushed and this diabolical nonsense will come to light for the fraud it is.

~Hannah

mariana said...

Hannah, we are very happy you love the Latin Mass. After all it is part of our Roman Catholic Church tradition. But when you decide to not tell the truth about why Our Lady weeps, well, you do some harm to the very Church you say you support. All the messages from ALL the APPROVED apparitions say Our Lady weeps for the lack of people saying the Rosary and praying for the Pope, attending Mass, receiving the Sacraments and living immoral lives. Our Lady has never said She weeps because people are ignoring the "true apparitions." Seriously, Hannah a valley in Eastern Europe is glamorous? Have you ever even been to Medjugorje? Believe me, it's not a spa at the Ritz. And is receiving Communion, going to Confession, attending daily Mass, praying the Rosary for our Pope, Bishops and priests, doing acts of charity, and converting regular folks to the priesthood and sisterhood charismatic? Is this not what our religion is all about? What is so Protestant about that? Is this what you mean when you say charismatic? I mean what am I missing? Why complain so much about an alleged apparition that brings good fruits, and converts sinners to Catholicism? It's silly. We are living Marian times, God is using apparitions and locutions because other means have failed to convert tremendous amounts of souls. And Our Lady is issuing a wake-up call because the times of His Mercy are about to come to an end, and the times of His Justice are about to commence. Why would anyone trash conversions and the Sacraments being given to a multitude of converts, over a few Bishops that like in Akita, Fatima, Lourdes, LaSalette, have opposed the apparition? If the Vatican has not condemned Medjugorje, then why would any Catholic condemn it. If it turns out to be fake, well, God still beat the devil, cause it sure backfired on him. That alone is a miracle.

Jamey said...

Do not feed the troll.

Emmett, I recommend going into mod mode temporarily even to clear out the agitator that has invaded this board.

Peterman said...

Mariana, I'm not really sure what your irrational attachment to Mejugorje is. I don't care if they have 1,000 confessions a day, I'm not even sure the confessions are valid. God can and often does bring good from evil but thinking about Mejugorje is a complete waste of time, it's not approved by any bishop and there are many, known non Catholic statements and inconsistencies here. Also, as pointed out, Our Lady says just a few choice words, not a weekly statement. This is an attack on The Holy Mother of God to say she is making these weekly/monthly announcements if we want to talk about his garbage we might well talk about Luther "having a few good points". He had none, it's all rotten fruit.

Anonymous said...

I visit this site only infrequently but I must say I am sorely disappointed by the squabble going on here during the Christmas season.

I cannot vouch for the authenticity of Medjugorje for the simple reason the Church has not ruled definitively on it one way or the other. Let the Church decide. And I say this despite having had my own personal supernatural experience during, and conversion after a Medjugorje vision (in the USA). The supernatural experience does not convince me. The conversion that was permanent did. Perhaps it was Mary's presence during the apparition, or perhaps it was God responding to a genuine act of faith. The only way I will be sure is when the CHURCH rules.

I do wonder about some comments though and ask if there are not people making money at Fatima and Lourdes and in Mexico City?

Really though, if we are in the perilous times this website suggests we are in, then wouldn't it make sense that we should be setting our differences aside and working toward spreading the Gospel message as far and wide as we can. No unconverted person who visits this site and sees the discord here will be inspired to convert.

Also, it is hard to tell from some comments, but the idea that we might want to abandon the Church because of Pope Francis is absurd. God promised to protect His Church and I am not going anywhere.

Paul said...

Infrequent anonymous

Does it say that Christ would protect his Church, or that He would be with us till the end. He was with the Israelites in the OT, but inflicted punishments upon them.

Re. Medj. I am afraid that the Church has spoken on the matter definitively: the local bishop has denied that the Blessed Virgin Mary is appearing there. It is his remit his sacred duty. Read December's Culture Wars - the premier monthly Catholic publication in the USA - for E. Michael Jones decimation of the fraud going on there. So stick with Holy Mother the Church. She has spoken.

And who is talking of abandoning the Church here? No-one. We are Catholic. We will die for our faith, Our Lord and our Holy Mother

Peterman said...

What squabbling? The best. most charitable gift I can give someone this Christmas is to warn them about the web of lies that is Medjugorje. Sorry, seers of the Holy Mother of God have never once in history gotten messages weekly. They have also not driven BMW's and lived in fancy homes and owned hotels based off the fame of their "visions". It's pure deceptions. i won't miss the opportunity to say so either.

Jamey said...

Paul said:

"And who is talking of abandoning the Church here? No-one. We are Catholic. We will die for our faith, Our Lord and our Holy Mother"

Correct.

The anon sock puppets are back, go back to the Sr LeRoyer thread and you will see the same strawmen/ ridiculous charges thrown about. Pattern recognition demonstrates we are dealing with one, or maybe two users in concert with another.

Anonymous said...

Paul,

When Jesus said the gates of hell will not prevail against the Church, I personally take that to mean the Truth will prevail in and through the Church until the end, under the auspice of the duly elected Pope under the protection of the Holy Spirit and so we should stay with him. That was my meaning in saying I will stay with the Church.

Below at the bottom is the quote to which I refer when I say I personally am not leaving this very Church to which Christ promised this protection (as the quote suggests one should).

As for Medjugorje, unless there has been action very recently, the last I heard a few months ago, the Vatican has taken up the evaluation of these apparitions so it is now beyond that scope of the local bishop and the final ruling has not been released from the Vatican. If they have ruled since then, I was not aware of it, but unless they do, we cannot say for sure one way or the other. The presence of Satan in the arena of these apparitions in no way indicates to me that they are not true. Satan seeks to destroy all that Mary does so I am not surprised by those who try to profit from them.

To Peterman, regardless of your intent, your tone is harsh toward the other person and from the perspective of a visitor to this site, it is perceived as discord between you and those you are 'warning'. I spend a lot of time on Pelianito's blog and comment section and the tone is quite different, I can assure you.

To Jamey,

I have never been to the Sr LeRoyer thread and am not in concert with anyone else. There is no pattern recognition because I don't even know what you are talking about. I simply came out here to this website to follow-up on a question I asked Emmitt earlier, and stumbled across the conversations since Dec 25th that are, in my estimation, arguing about Medjugorje and other things. One example, Marianna is defending herself against 'Jamey' and it seems to me you were a little harsh on Marianna. You cannot assume people are trolls and even if I were, where is the rule that says I can't visit and comment on this site?

Quote:

Praise God there are some good Bishops out there who are speaking the truth. The SSPX does appear to be the lifeboat of the Church at this point. I don't agree with all their stuff but at some point it's likely we'll need some safe harbor. If the Bishop of Rome announces some definite statement or dogma … But if he comes out with some crazy thing, it's time to head to the life boats and shove off. This sounds harsh or possibly crazy but what's more crazy is the stuff like Ms. Chouqui and the tweets that are coming from the Bishop of Rome about Our Lady and the "rosary counters" snarky comment.

mariana said...

Happy New Year to all of you! Thank you so much Anonymous for your kind words. This tug of war of words between some of us against certain apparitions is so sad. To divide us is exactly what Satan wants. Nobody is forgetting how important Fatima is for this century. The message of Fatima cannot be understood unless you understand atheistic communism. It is the battle against God and religion, against all peoples, and in all parts of the world; a phenomenon that outdoes all that happened before. In the history of all mankind nothing in our past rivals the brutality of man against man like communism." Arguably mankinds biggest mistake is communism. Unfortunately, the West is not following Fatima today. Our culture of death is anti God. Our own Catholic Hierarchy has failed in educating Catholics on the signs of the times, as well as, not announcing the third secret in 1960. Consecrating Russia was never done exactly how Our Lady wanted. So, how is She going to finally crush the serpent's head if some in the Vatican won't comply with her wishes? By appearing at every corner of the world with the messages to convert before it's too late. She is a gift from God, to guide us through these end times. We may not all agree on how it will all turn out, but let's respect the Holy Spirit's call to faith and peace towards each other. God always works in mysterious ways, and He is giving us Mary to guide us out of this world's insanity. Emmett, and for the rest of you who may be interested, I am reading a wonderful book called, "The Thunder of Justice," by Ted and Maureen Flynn. It is their new revised and updated book. I truly recommend it. It's been a great help to learn so much about past Catholic events, as well as, a glimpse to what awaits us all. It is truly a "spiritual treasure."

Paul said...

Mariana

With all due respect, whose authority do you think you speak for when you say that as the Vatican/bishops have ignored the message of Fatima, the Blessed Mother has had to up her game and speak on every street corner? Where has this been affirmed by the Vatican? Fatima is of crucial importance and was authenticated as being worthy of devotion by the process established by the Church: namely, the local ordinary; as happened at Fatima, Akita, Nicaragua, Rewanda. Not at Medjugorje, nor at Garabandal. Don't you think that the Devil, who is wiser and more cunning than anyone on this earth, would decide to appear as the Blessed Virgin, and ape her to lead souls astray? And boy what a success he is having! Peterman is right, by their fruits ye shall know them. The visionaries are milking the visions at Medjugorje for all it is worth. Bernadette went into a convent, as did Lucy of Fatima, Sr. Sasagawa was already in the convent. Do we see a pattern here? What we see is a diabolical deception of enormous scope. What we have witnessed is the Vatican unable to uphold the Bishop of Mostar's pronouncement, and so it has festered.

Paul said...

Anonymous

We agree with your first statement, as it is self-evident.

Please tell me where has the Church said that the SSPX is outside of the Church? Certainly not Pope Benedict who lifted the excommunications of JPII against the existing bishops. I don't see the quote that you give as advising people to leave the Church, but to cling to those chapels, within the Church, where our faith is being practiced and protected through the Traditional Mass and traditional teaching, be they SSPX, FSSP, ICK or diocesan parishes.
I am afraid that not for a very long time have we had an occupant of St Peter say so many things that have deviated from the faith and caused such anguish for the faithful. We need to pray for Pope Francis earnestly, but also be as wise as serpents when our sensus Catholicus is being assaulted.

If anyone is interested in the article by E Michael Jones on Medjugorje, I am willing to email it.

Peterman said...

Frankly I'm not concerned waht the "vatican" says at this point. It's painfully obvious it is corrupted currently with modernism and liberation theology. The current regime in charge may be based at the Vatican but they aren't the Church and with their radical beliefs has excommunicated themselves many of them anyway. This was seen bu Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerich when she saw the bishops of the world many of whom were excommunicated and didn't know or even seem to care.

So the current regime in rome which publishes interviews with the bishop of rome which scandalize the faithful can make any pronouncement about Medjugorje they want, in the end, down the road the truth about this deception will be known.By their fruits you shall know them.

mariana said...

Paul, the authority comes from our very own APPROVED apparition Akita. " With the rosary, pray for the POPE, the bishops, and the priests. The work of the devil will infiltrate even the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals, bishops against other bishops." When has Our Lady ever said in any of the approved apparitions that we should not obey the Pope in Rome? When has she ever said, that we should follow those bishops who have left Rome and started their own schism? Now, I may respect a journalist like E Michael Jones, but where does he get his authority to contradict our Lady? Unity Paul, unity is the only way our Pope can combat the masonic modernist ideals that have corrupted our Church, and severely discount God's warning and Our Lady's pleas. I love our traditional Latin Mass, but no evidence so far from Heaven has told any of us, we should disobey the Vicar of Christ and follow only the SSPX. It is obvious to all of us "through history that there has been the failure of the Church hierarchy to fulfill adequately their divine obligations, the proliferation of heresies, and schisms from papal authority, and the divine retributions of Islam and Communism and the deluded philosophies of the Enlightenment promoted by Masonry all reaching an apex before the forthcoming chastisement on mankind." So, Paul, with the opinions of most Catholics, from what I have read by journalists, the Great apostasy spreads across Roman Catholicism as many cardinals, bishops, and theologians adopt heretical views from Modernism, Liberation Theology and THOSE WHO ACT IN VIRTUAL SCHISM WITH THE HOLY PONTIFF, IGNORING HIS SUPREME AUTHORITY (PAPAL PRIMACY) GIVEN BY CHRIST HIMSELF TO PETER AND HIS SUCCESSORS, CHRIST'S VICAR ON EARTH. God bless you, sir, and may the Holy Spirit enlighten you always.

Anonymous said...

The SSPX is not in schism, never has been and never will be. Please don't go down that route. Everyone should know this.

I, for one, recognize authentic Catholicism their and that's why I go. Not to "hate" or reject the Authority of the Pope (which is the definition of schism BTW) or some such nonsense.

Show me one priest of the Society that rejects the Authority of the Pope. Aren't going to find one because they don't exist. Simple as that.

God bless.

~Hannah

mariana said...

Hannah, why can't you tell the truth? I mean we have access to the truth, after all it's a technological age for information. Here is a quote made from the leader of SSPX, Bishop Bernard Fellay: "Any of kind of direction for recognition ended when they (Vatican with Papal authority) gave me the document to sign June 13, 2012. That very day, I told them, 'this document I cannot accept.' I told them from the start in September the previous year that we cannot accept this 'hermeneutic of continuity' because it is not true, it is not real. It is against reality. So, WE do not accept it. The Council is not in continuity with Tradition. It's no. So, when Pope Benedict requested that we accept that the 2nd Vatican Council is an integral part of tradition, we say, 'sorry, that't not reality, so we're not going to sign it. We're not going to recognize that." The SSPX is not in full communion with the Church, and neither are the neo-modernist's. Both groups have been in complete opposition to our Pope's by turning other priests against his teachings, this is division, which in essence is a schism.

Paul said...

Mariana

I have just lost my reply to you, so I will be brief. The Church has not authenticated Medjugorje, or Garabandal, so be a loyal daughter of the Church and obey. Tell me where E Michael Jones has contradicted Our Lady? Don't cast accusations without proof. For the last time the SSPX is not in schism. Benedict lifted the excommunications on the 4 bishops, he has never said that they are in schism. He knows that he could not prove it in a church tribunal.

Let us reflect on the bits of the 3rd secret that has been revealed. Particularly it refers to an apostasy that will start from the top. Benedict has said that it is about attacks on the faith. Pope Pius XII talked about the attack on the liturgy. Now unity is not the highest calling of the Church, but obedience to the faith. The SSPX only wanted to preserve the Mass of all time that the modernists very nearly entirely suppressed. Why? Because not only is it the greatest form of worship that the Holy Ghost has handed us, but it fully encapsulates our faith. Paul VI's new Mass is a grave departure and is an attack on faith - clown Mass anyone? Tango on the altar. Their position is to be obedient to the faith as handed down by the apostles, and when Peter errs, they will stick with Peter of all time. If that is their sin, then Deo Gratias. Take a look at the fruits of the SSPX (and FSSP, ICK and the Franciscans of the Immaculata)full seminaries, great devotion, millions of rosaries offered up to the Church. When Bishop Fellay rejected the Doctrinal Preamble it was because Benedict had reneged on his position he had made known to Fellay. Fellay was not going to be obedient to a document containing errors to the faith. Probably Benedict knew this and didn't call him and the SSPX as schimatics. But you seem able to. Why? Now we desperately need these most loyal sons to be given their due canonical status fully in the Church, for both sakes: for the Church to reestablish her Tradition, and for the SSPX who are conscious more than anyone of not being at full communion with our Holy Mother

Our Lady said pray for the Pope, not obey his every whim. Why, cause she could see how the Devil was going to sorely tempt Peter. So, even with the most modernist occupant of the throne, we must redouble our prayers that Francis will come back to Tradition.

Jamey said...

Paul said:

"Now unity is not the highest calling of the Church, but obedience to the faith."

Hammer. Nail. Head.

"When Bishop Fellay rejected the Doctrinal Preamble it was because Benedict had reneged on his position he had made known to Fellay. Fellay was not going to be obedient to a document containing errors to the faith."

Fellay was told by someone (very high in Rome) that B16 wanted the SSPX back in as is. I think B16 knew the SSPX knew the 3rd Secret without having read it. The next thing there was a 180 from Rome and Muller who has a strong dislike for the SSPX is put in charge of negotiations. Someone apart from B16 was running the Vatican. Remember he told Fellay his authority ends once he leaves the summer residence. Poor guy really was attacked by wolves.

"So, even with the most modernist occupant of the throne, we must redouble our prayers that Francis will come back to Tradition."

Spot on.

Anonymous said...

Why can't I tell the truth? I am and will continue to do so.

As Paul said, by their fruits you will know them. The SSPX seminarians are bursting out at the seams and Michael Voris says there won't even be Priests in the US in 10 years? Something wrong with that. The Counciliar Church needs to abandon their protestant sentimentalism, even they really think their Catholic.

When the Pope goes against the Faith, we have a duty to disobey. Don't believe me?

"Still the less can the Roman Pontiff glory because he can be judged by men, or rather, can be shown to be already judged, if for example he should wither away into heresy; because he who does not believe is already judged." -Pope Innocent III

Our situation. Please read carefully.

"Hold firmly that your/our faith is identical with that of the ancients. Deny this and you dissolve the unity of the Church." -St. Thomas Aquinas

"What then should a Catholic do if some portion of the Church detaches itself from communion of the universal Faith? What choice can he make if some new contagion attempts to poison, no longer a small part of the Church, but the whole Church at once, then his great concern will be to attach himself to antiquity which can no longer be led astray by any lying novelty." St. Vincent of Lerins

No Pope, not one, has ever said we have to accept that Council, since it is clearly a break with tradition. That's why they didn't come to an agreement and thank God they didn't, as Bishop Fellay said recently. Pope Francis is putting Vatican II full steam, not to mention his scary, scary statements. I'm starting to wonder if we have a social justice business man in the Chair of Peter. I don't see a man who cares about the salvation of souls, that wants to pass on the True Faith and condemn error. Quite the contrary actually.

~Hannah

mariana said...

We can interpret the Second Coming in one way or the other because the church has never taken an official stand on how to understand the signs of the times.

But those who interpret the laws of the Church incorrectly, Jesus calls them "a brood of vipers" (Matt 12:34), and "white watered sepulchers" (Matt 23:27). Jesus is harsh with those who have preconceived opinions that harm what the Holy Spirit is attempting to accomplish in the world.

Catechism: 883 - "The college or body of bishops has no authority unless united with the ROMAN PONTIFF, Peter's successor, as its head." As such, this college has "supreme and full authority over the universal Church; but this power cannot be exercised without the agreement of the ROMAN PONTIFF.

When Bishop Fellay rejects all of our Popes' recognition of Vatican II, he is separating the flock of the unity of Christ, and is not keeping with the Lord's command." Catechism 888.

Catechism 891 - "The infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, TOGETHER with PETER'S SUCCESSOR, they exercise the supreme Magisterium, above all in an ECUMENICAL COUNCIL. When the Church through its supreme Magisterium proposes a doctrine for belief as being divinely revealed, and as the teaching of Christ the definitions must be adhered to with the OBEDIENCE OF FAITH. This infallibility extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation itself.

It is the Catholic truth when Our Lady calls us to "walk along the way of the true faith, in the greatest OBEDIENCE to the Magisterium of the POPE and of the BISHOPS UNITED WITH HIM." Bishop Fellay is not united with the Pope, whether it be Benedict or Francis.

I feel sorry for those who disagree with Catholicism, and I will pray for all who don't get it.

"You have a fine way of rejecting the Commandment of God, in order to keep your TRADITION!" warned Christ (Mark 7: 6-8).

So get on board people, because the little remnant God speaks of in Revelations is the little flock who is made up of those bishops, priests, religious and faithful who will REMAIN STRONGLY UNITED to the POPE, all gathered TOGETHER in the cenacle of the Immaculate Heart. Get on that lifeboat that St John Bosco envisioned before it's too late. Join the rest of us who know the truth.

Jamey said...

"I don't see a man who cares about the salvation of souls"

This was something touched upon by Boniface at unumsanctamcatholicam in a recent article, Francis' recent encyclical focused exclusively on evangelisation bringing peace here on Earth, in reality the primary purpose is the salvation of souls.

http://unamsanctamcatholicam.blogspot.com.au/2013/12/dear-pope-francis.html

I think these things are related to the belief of universal salvation or something near it that has pervaded the church. Why bother evangelising for the salvation of souls when only Jack the ripper types end up in Hell.

Was just watching the morning news here, once again they are praising Francis. "I really like this pope", "I think he realises the church must change to survive". Well people you have surprises coming your way.

Sr. Marianne Lorraine Trouve said...

Thank you, Emmett, for this insightful post. The connection with abortion is very striking.

St Thomas says about the original sin: "But the first man sinned chiefly by coveting God's likeness as regards 'knowledge of good and evil,' according to the serpent's instigation, namely that by his own natural power he might decide what was good, and what was evil for him to do."

Isn't that exactly the essence of the so-called "pro-choice" view: they want to decide for themselves what is good and what is evil. Abortion is very much tied into original sin since it has been promoted precisely by the essence of that sin. And Satan is a "murderer from the beginning" (Jn 8:44). It is very sad and troubling to see how much evil has come into the world. I pray that God will send the illumination soon so that sin will be overcome to the extent it can in this life.

Anonymous said...

(NOT trying to hijack the blog here. Just trying to spread the truth, for those who will listen anyway..)

Exactly, Jamey.

When's the last time we've heard the Pope talk about something other than hunger or the poor (or anything sentimental)? We are in the world to know, love and serve God, NOT be comfortable here.

Just look at his intentions for 2014. Says it all.

The Holy Father's universal prayer intention is “that all may promote authentic ECONOMEC development that respects the dignity of all peoples”.

That's it? No end to the slaughter of the innocents or sodomy? What about the apostasy in the Church? Not going to beg God to end that? What about the casting out of Modernism and Freemasonry in the Church? And a return to tradition? I mean, I guess unemployed youth (Yeah, I'm unemployed. I'm not losing my soul over it and I'm a youth.) is much more important. Right?

His prayer intention for evangelization is “that Christians of diverse DENOMINATIONS may walk toward the unity desired by Christ”.

I'm not seeing a clear call to convert to the One, True Church here. If I didn't know from studying that there was no salvation outside the Catholic Church, I'd have no clue. The Vicar of Christ doesn't talk about it (or anybody for that matter) and he's supposed to be in charge of that very Church.

You know what this is all about, the Salvation of Souls. The Salvation of Souls. That's it. That's what moved Archbishop Lefebvre to save what was left. That's what moved all the Saints to do what they did, to evangelize, to spread the Faith and to lay down their life. And look at us today, with these namby-pamby statements from our Leaders, with this replacement of the truth and beauty of our Religion with Protestantism and social justice nonsense and Freemasonic principles. Please. What didn't need fixing didn't need fixing. The Pope could begin fix the crisis we are in today, if he wanted to. If tradition and everything that has been handed down to us nourished Saints for generations, are you trying to tell me because we're in the "modern world" that it can't nourish us to? I mean, seriously? That's the whole problem. Making the Church and the world friends. Our Lord Jesus Christ set a barrier between the Church and the world and they had the audacity to break it down. We see it in full light. The world is in love with the Pope and we know what Scripture says about that. The world is supposed to hate Catholics and especially the Vicar of Christ because of who he and we are. We're all the light of the world. The world lives in darkness. The world can choose the light, by choosing the Church. For the past 50 years, the Popes have rejected the opportunity to spread the Faith because they are afraid of offending the world (just like they don't want to offend the Orthodox or whatever by obeying Our Lady and just like the Council didn't condemn Communism because, you know, the worst thing we can possibly do is hurt someone's feelings.)

That window was open to let that "fresh air" in the Church, but it really let the smoke of Satan in. Now, it's so thick, it's blinding people.

The world needs a bright and shining light, the bulwark of the the Truth and that is the Catholic Church.

If you really love the Church, pray for the Pope, by all means, that he'll see the light. I hate to have to say that, you know. There's no man on this Earth greater than he, but yet no man with as much duty to save souls as he. That's right, save souls, not clown around, pat the pagans or protestants on the back and tell them how great they are, trash the Catholics who love him, no, to save souls and bring them to Heaven. That's ultimately what it's all about, and that's why the Church exists.

So, there's some rambling thoughts of mine.

Viva Christo Rey, and all for the Glory and Honor of Our Lord Jesus Christ!

Pax,
Hannah

mariana said...

Agree with you Sr Marianne. The illumination is so needed.

Anonymous said...

I'm done with this website! The tone is disgusting! When did this blog become a platform for the SSPX? This topic is SO divisive! Those who follow the SSPX will never listen unless they are right. How are they different than the Pharases(sp?) in the time of Jesus? So stuck on the "Law" that they miss the big picture. Jesus IS LOVE! Did he attack the woman who was deep in sin and about to be stoned? No! He said, go and sin no more.
We are living in a time where a generation or more has been malformed, unformed and not fully properly formed. People on this blog forget this..more than once there is a tendency to shove their ideas down others throats. What happened to the gentle approach, with love. What happened to bringing the reader along ? I've seen it written here on this blog, more than once, that they are, "writing this out of love." Gee, I think they need to take a look at themselves because the responses DON"T come across as they were received with love. I'm sure some of you have teenagers and you are well aware that the "hammer and nail " approach drives them away not bring them closer.

Yes, the current Pope is being manipulated by the media. Yes, he says things that seriously make devout Catholics scratch their heads and "think" oh no.... So, what ever happened to the virtue of PRUDENCE?? All of you, who flap your jaws and trash each other ought to be ashamed. And those of you who continue to bring up apparitions which aren't approved and try to "convert" others are just as guilty.
The other week Mueller said the SSPX was in schism. Sorry unable to reference it but I was shocked when I read it..(probably somewhere on Spirit Daily for the fact checkers.) OK so now let's hear how awful Mueller is.... No matter what you think he is the head of the CDF... OK now trash that... isn't that the MO of the SSPX? The Church has survived worse situations. Where is your trust the Holy Spirit?
We all agree there are some very bad and corrupt people in the Vatican.....For the sake of the times we live in, why can we agree to disagree? Stick to what ties us together... A great love for Jesus Christ and Holy Mother Church.
And furthermore, if something really doesn't help you follow the second greatest commandment, love on another as I have loved you perhaps you shouldn't waste your time on it.....As confusing as Pope Francis statements are, he is good example, which we should all take lessons from, on how to treat others.
God bless you on your spiritual journeys and Adieu!
J

m said...

Please don't leave J, we need you! The Church presently continues along the road of division, and SSPX is not helping. We need Catholics like yourself to offer opposition with faith and love for the Church teachings against the SSPX's errors. Please be patient, it is frustrating, but with unity, we can make a difference. And I apologize for defending the alleged apparitions that are under investigations, and yet not approved by the Vatican. I have only defended those who are not condemned. I will make an effort to not mention them again. Please come back. Emmett is so patient with all of us.

Emmett O'Regan said...

I'm sorry you feel that way about this blog, J. Please note that the views in the comments section are not my own, and I actually am more inclined towards your position. I merely do want to act as a censor to anyone who wants to comment. I do so in the hope that some who are not Catholic, and do not share our beliefs, may join in with the discussion, and an interest in our faith is ignited. I don't like some of the bickering going on here either, and feel that more consideration and charity towards each other is greatly needed, as is meekness and humility. Being traditionally minded, I would love to see a greater emphasis on the old Liturgies, and their undeniably greater beauty. But like Bl. John Paul II urged, I think we should all be docile to the actions of the Holy Spirit. The election of Pope Francis is the work of the Holy Spirit, and taking us exactly where God wants us to be. If God does not like any of the actions that the Holy Father will take, He will prevent it from happening. Otherwise, it is permissible. Peter has the keys to heaven and hell, and whatever he says goes:

"Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.”
(John 20:21-23)

Without Peter, there is only schism and division - the work of the Devil:

“Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters." (Luke 11:23)

Paul said...

J & M

Whoever you are. How dare you come here and scatter gun your accusations, in oh so loving way, without a shred of evidence to back up what you say. It is the intelligence of a stoat: emotional tosh, masquerading as Catholic outrage, defending the Church. The bloq will be enhanced without your presence, and I say that with all charity.
Please give examples of how the media is manipulating the Pope? Didn't Francis say in response to naming a manifest homosexual to the Vatican bank: who am I to judge? It is his job to judge objectively the sin, without judging the sinner, as have virtually all of his predecessors who have sat on the throne. Wasn't it Francis who gave the interview with Scalfari? Don't tell me that his words were manipulated, because he had the opportunity to correct them before they went to print. Funny how it is the traditionalists that seem to be in his firing line - promethean, pellagian, rosary-counting, narrow minded - but he didn't say those things did he, it was all made up by the press. To the latest blasphemy against Our Lady when he postulated that she could have questioned God as she watched her Son die: you lied to me. By his actions in decimating the only order - the Franciscans of the Immaculata - who have been obedient to Vatican II, were bi-ritual in accordance with the laws of the Church, and were just about the only order to have flourishing vocations.

Are you that intellectually challenged that one utterance from the head of the CDF is a magisterial doctrine of the Church. Benedict has doubts about the author of the Gospel of John as being the apostle, as he wrote in his book. Does that make Church law? Why is everything that is seen as wrong in the Church laid at the door of the SSPX? Can't we see the oak tree of Modernism and liberalism which is lodged in the eye of Our Holy Mother, and the devastated vineyard as the result of it.
With all due respect, get mummy to put your toys back in the pram, and when you are old enough, come and play with the grown-ups. Or rather, if one or both of you are female, as Shakespeare penned: Get thee to a nunnery!
It is only Faith grounded in Truth that we will achieve true unity!
In Domino!

ttomosky said...

I agree with J from earlier today: "I'm done with this website! The tone is disgusting! When did this blog become a platform for the SSPX?"

Emmett O'Regan has done a tremendous job with his book and his articles. He is among the very best analysts of current events!!!

However, various commenters have hijacked his site. Truth is not spoken and love certainly is not in their delivery! "They will know we are Christians by our love" - Hah - not in this case!

In any event, I will continue to read Emmett's writings, but will stop going to the comments page. Pray for me and I will pray for you.

Emmett, you might want to revisit the idea of approving comments before they are posted. What a hassle! Sorry to suggest that, but it might be necessary.

Thomas K. Tomosky, Ph.D.


Anonymous said...

I like everything about the blog! I have learned so much by both Emmett's blog posts and the com box.

I am old and long ago put on my "big girl pants" I have also been involved, long-term, with several craft sites on the 'net. I have seen repeated episodes where a certain person or group announces a "Grande Exit" only to stay around and continue to post replies as others either beg them to stay or wish them good riddance. So for myself, I acknowledge that we are all sinners and not one of us is forced to stay, leave, post, read-only, etc. I don't feel the need for Emmett to moderate since I can then chose to read what I wish and skip past the commenters whose opinions I do not wish to read.

Louie Verrecchio also decided to not moderate the comments on his blog, Harvesting the Fruit of Vatican II also stating that he trusts that the com box participants are wearing their Big Adult Pants.

I wish all well for this New Year and continue to keep the Mystical Body, Church Militant in my prayers.

Sherry

Jamey said...

Sherry what a grace Mr Verrechio's blog is. Louie will come under great attack from the neoconcaths after he has shifted his views, he will also lose income and all the hardships that come with that, prayers for him and his family. Jennifer in response to your comment above, thank-you for your prayers and likewise I will pray for you and your family.

What we see here is the degree to which the church is split, we have the following and probably more categories:

Liberals
Neocon Catholics
Confused Catholics
Trads (split further SSPX vs diocesan)
Sedes

Emmett, I think with Francis' reign there is going to be very strong views each way and there will be heated conflict and comments that will pop up regularly and with some justification given we are in the end-times. If you don't want this direction you will probably have to go mod mode. I will take no offense if you mod out my comments. I would also suggest taking a strong line against those who initiate ill feeling by telling others for example they aren't real Catholics, are Masons/Mohicans/liers because they present evidence on things such as Medj/Garabandal not to their liking as it will prevent a spiral downhill. Bad things happen when good people take no action. Ball is in your court friend.

mariana said...

Nobody has said you are not a real Catholic if you do not believe in Medj/Garabandal. We have gently explained and quoted word by word the Catechism on how Catholics should obey our Pope. Something SSPX has a huge problem with. Pope Francis, just said some Catholics have vinegar in their hearts, when it comes to teaching Catholicism. I for one agree. Anyone who has the audacity to criticize a Pope who has truly lived his faith with such humility, is just mistaken.

Jamey said...

You are taking some good steps Mariana, you have finally acknowledged the popes have disobeyed Our Lady and Heaven by not releasing the Third Secret in 1960 or consecrating Russia as demanded, just take that logic a step further. Keep up the good work and a bit of advise maybe refrain from airing every brain snap you have until you have looked at all angles of the argument. Sometimes also it is ok to say "I don't know" it is ok not to have an opinion on things we don't really understand. Also don't judge the SSPX I am sure Papa Pancho would tell you who are we to judge.

Anonymous said...

Mariana says - 'We' have gently explained and quoted word by word the Catechism on how Catholics should obey our Pope.

Who makes up this 'we' you speak of?

Muv said...

Happy New Year Emmett. I am looking forward to more posts from you as the year unfolds.

Please permit me to say that the recent shenanigans here in the comment box have been a bit much. Perhaps Jamey might like to start posting on his own blog, which is all set up but with no posts on it, and then he can enjoy engaging in SSPX v Medjugorje there. As it is, the situation here is reminiscent of the Star Trek episode where Lazarus and Anti-Lazarus were locked in eternal combat.

Tom said...

That was a great episode. Frank Gorshyn, right?

mariana said...

Going back to Muv's illuminating post and its reference to Our Lady of the Pillar, I thought of the Twin Pillars of Don Bosco, and remembered Pope Benedict's crossing the Malta Harbor by boat. Malta is the only European country against abortion. I found it so prophetic. Our Pope of the end times trying to anchor the boat of Peter in the storm caused by the Antichrist who has entered into the Holy Temple of God. Abortion is the abomination of desolation that has entered our holy bodies, our spirit, our faith.

Barb said...

Pope Francis announced today that he is going to the Holy Land in May.

Barb said...

There will also be an ecumenical meeting while he is there.

Emmett O'Regan said...

Thanks Barb! I just saw that myself. This meeting in Jerusalem has been expected for a while now. The pope making a pilgrimage to the Holy Land is always going to be of concern, given that the Third Secret depicts a pope being martyred in city which symbolizes Jerusalem. Personally, I think it might be a bit soon for the complete fulfillment of Fatima. But Pope Francis' lack of security concerns is somewhat worrying.
It'll be interesting to see how both Churches will mark the 50 year anniversary of the first meeting between the Pope and the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople in Jerusalem in 1964, where the mutual excommunications were first lifted. Hopefully this meeting will see a similar significant step forward in the reconciliation between East and West. This is after all the major theme of the prophecies of the Angelic Pope.

Muv said...

Hello Emmett,

The Pope is due to arrive in the Holy Land (Amman)on 24th May, the feast of Our Lady Help of Christians. Another link with Don Bosco.

Tom not a phd said...

Oops. Wrong episode. Sorry. I'll be quiet now.

Muv said...

Tom, I wouldn't have had a clue myself. I saw it once aeons ago. All I remembered was the final scene of the two adversaries locked in combat for ever at the point where the two universes touched. Grasp the concept and forget the detail was always my approach to Star Trek. Anyway, glad you enjoyed the detour.

Tom. Not a phd said...

Thanks Muv. You're muvelous!

mariana said...

Lol! Most definitely enjoyed it too. "Change is the essential process of all existence," such a concept riles some of us to disagree.

Peterman said...

"There will also be an ecumenical meeting while he is there."

Boyyy i'm sure there will be. I'm okay, you're okay, everyone is okay, who am I to judge? Everyone is okay that is except for those that hold on to to the TLM. W

hich prophecy again speaks of a Pope putting fort an idea for a Church for all faiths, something along those lines? I have to research. If he calls for that..look out.

Anonymous said...

Peterman have you ever read what Blessed Catherine Emmerich wrote? Let me enlighten you. "As to those who presume to revolt against the Church and her spiritual authority, who pretend that they alone possess understanding, who call themselves the communion of Saints, they have no real light." Emmerich sharply criticized the belief of those who seemed to claim that they comprehend everything better than the heads of the Church, better than holy doctrine." Peterman spare us with your criticism towards our Pope Francis, please.

Muv said...

Hello Emmett,

Apologies if this is bordering on the bonkers...

Look at the top photo here...
http://photographyblog.dallasnews.com/2014/01/jesus-in-a-lightning-storm-you-be-the-photo-editor.html/

... in particular at the lines made by the two flashes of lightning which come down at either side of the head of the statue.

Now get out your atlas and open it at the page showing Portugal. Tilt the page slightly, putting North at about 1 o'clock. The lightning has drawn a fairly accurate map of Portugal, with the head of the statue on the South Coast near Faro. All that squiggly business a third of the way up the Atlantic coast is the area of Fatima.

Told you it was going to sound a bit barmy. It's definitely something or nothing.

Muv said...

... in fact, the head is more or less at a place called Luz. Says it all, really.

Peterman said...

Lightning is always a warning of God's anger. Look at the two strikes on the Vatican after Pope Benedict was forced to..err decided to resign.

Marie Julie Jahenny speaks with great detail what lighting will do in Paris as God's wrath occurs.

KP said...

Hey Muv,

The Christ the Redeemer statue didn't just have interesting looking lightning behind it, as your link was showing. I wouldn't consider that to mean too much, since lightning storms occur often enough. What I find interesting is that the statue was even hit by lightning in the same storm.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/lightning-strikes-rio-de-janeiro-jesus-statue-9069060.html


So within the same year time span, the Christ the Redeemer statue got hit by lightning and caused damage and St Peter's Basilica got hit by lightning TWICE on the same day Pope Benedict abdicated. Also, although this is older news, Jim Caviezel was even hit by lightning while filming the crucifixion scene in the Passion of the Christ. Very interesting.

In Matthew 24:27 Jesus describes His Second Coming: "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."

mariana said...

Muv / KP, both of you are brilliant! I do see the map of Portugal, Muv. And the town of Luz above His head clearly reminds us Christ is the light of the world. Good job.

Peterman said...

I said lightning is always a sign of God's anger and I'll change that statement to say "lightning is OFTEN a sign of God's anger."

I think often of lightning hitting Jim Caveziel and another man on that movie set got hit twice, neither man died obviously so what a blessing. I think God uses anger to show us or remind us of his power and mercy.

I live in the lightning capical of North America (Tampa Bay) and the lightning storms in summer are incredible, powerfully intensive and nothing like I've ever seen. I've seen bold drop near my car and home that are so powerful the flash will blind you (temporarily). It is nothing to mess around with and if I'm caught outside or just running to my car during a storm I am always saying my act of contrition, the lightning and thunder let you know quickly God is present.

JB said...

Emmett:
I decided to use this 'of-track' comment to let you and your readers know the books and testimony of this seemingly very holly Polish priest that has seen both 'The Warning' and especially the 'New Heavens and Earth" that will onset after the end of the Great Tribulation. It is a must listen to and impressive, humble testimony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pWDk7IPbag

As about the Pope, both Tradition or Modernism prone faithful, this message from a collection of mostly catechetic texts given to a girl in Mexico opened my eyes to what really it seems to be the main concern of Pope Francis: are you a living Gospel? - is your family a living Gospel? - is your Parish a living Gospel? - Is your work or business a living Gospel? -Is your community a living Gospel? etc., etc.: http://tambienestuya.com/?p=2244
If not.... Cheers!

mariana said...

JB, the video on the Polish priest is no longer available. May you please tell us the name of this priest?

Muv said...

Hello Mariana,

The link works fine for me. It might be one of those videos that you can't get a connection to in certain countries. It is Fr. Adam Skwarczynski, and the video is called "I have seen the New World" on Maria de Nazaret's channel.

Thank you JB - something for me to watch tomorrow.

mariana said...

Thank you so much J.B., the video of Father Adam is beautiful. How clearly he explains the two Comings of Christ. The 2nd Coming is separate from His final coming. Thank you again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pWDk7IPbag or if anyone needs more information contact: ihavessenthenewworld@gmail.com

"Christ reign - Christ conquer."

mariana said...

Correction: seen not ssen

ihaveseenthenewworld@gmail.com

mariana said...

Well, Muv, curious to know what you think of Fr. Adam?

Anonymous said...

Hi Emmett,
I just re-read your post on Feb.21st 2013, (not 14) about the Glory of the Olive and the upcoming pope after Benedict, that no one would expect which, of course, is Pope Francis.

It seems like the interpretations in your posts afterward have changed from the Feb. 21st 2013 post, as you seem to now believe that Pope Francis is the Angelic Pastor--or the last pope.I could be quite mistaken so I would appreciate a clarification.

Being 77 years old (and seemingly good health) Pope Francis cannot in any way be identified as a young pope, as for instance JP2 was when he was elected.

What you wrote a year ago and your response to Sr. Lorraine is totally in agreement with my own interpretation ,which would imply, because of the age of Pope Francis (77yrs.),that he can't be the angelic pope. I know you've written very much since Pope Francis has been elected, and I can't quite ascertain what your interpretation of Francis' pontificate is at this time in relation to the St. Malachy's prophecies. I'm just seeking a clarification here.

thank you!
rose