Thursday 18 October 2012

Our Lady of Zeitoun and the Slaughter of the Innocents




Alongside Fatima, the appearances of the Virgin Mary in the village of Zeitoun near Cairo, Egypt from 1968-1972 are undoubtedly among the most important Marian apparitions in history. The most remarkable aspect of these visitations of the Virgin Mary is that unlike other apparitions, which are usually only seen by a select few visionaries, the appearances of Our Lady at Zeitoun were fully visible to everyone present - regardless of religious persuasion. And the estimated number of witnesses - at over a million people, means that these were the most widely seen Marian apparitions in the entire history of the Church. In the earlier posts on this subject (e.g. Our Lady of Light and the Apocalyptic Nativity), we noted how these apparitions appeared in locations traditionally associated with the flight of the Holy Family from King Herod's slaughter of the Holy Innocents. Given the fact that Our Lady began to appear in Egypt during the exact month of the implementation of the UK Abortion Act in April 1968 (which opened the floodgates to abortion in the Western world, culminating in Roe vs Wade in 1972), we are left with the inevitable conclusion that the entire raison d'etre of these apparitions was as a heavenly witness against the introduction of this modern day slaughter of the innocents.

When we look at some of the other Church approved Marian apparitions of the 20th century, we find that they were similarly timed to coincide with major world events that would ultimately result in worst cases of genocide the world has ever known. The Miracle of the Sun occurred in the same month as the rise of the militantly atheistic Soviet regime in October 1917 (the dangers of which were warned of in the Second Secret), while the apparitions of Our Lady at Banneux in Beligium appeared in the very same month that Hitler rose to power in Germany, in January 1933. Just as Our Lady of Guadalupe appeared in Mexico in 1531 to prevent the ritual human sacrifice that pervaded the indigenous religions of South America (earning her the title Protectress of the Unborn), the Virgin Mary appeared at the exact moment industrialised slaughter of unborn children began in the once-Christian Western world. The fact that she chose to appear in the very location of her own flight from King Herod's massacre of the infant children of Bethlehem, in a manner which exactly conforms to the prophecy of the flight of the Woman Adorned with the Sun in the Book of Revelation (suggesting that a second flight of Our Lady to Egypt would take place at the approach of the end time), doubly reaffirms the purpose of these apparitions.

While the significance of the apparitions at Zeitoun are greatly overlooked, there are many good resources to these Church approved apparitions available online. You can find some documentary clips on Youtube that give a brief overview of the events at Zeitoun, which I have posted below:







There are two short books on this subject which are freely available on the Zeitoun website which I will link to here. The first, Our Lord's Mother Visits Egypt in 1968-1969 is written by Pearl Zaki, who witnessed these events first hand. The second is the more widely circulated When Millions Saw Mary by Francis Johnston. But sadly, the most popular works on this subject have failed to make the connection between the timing of these apparitions and the introduction of abortion in the Christian west - a coincidence which was only first noted in Unveiling the Apocalypse.

I was prompted to revisit these apparitions in light of the deeply unsettling news that the first abortion clinic in Ireland is about to be opened right here in Belfast today by Marie Stropes International, allowing a private company to profiteer from the slaughter of unborn children (read the Belfast Telegraph article on this story here). While abortion remains illegal in the Republic of Ireland, where Catholic teaching still thankfully has a great deal of influence on such matters, the six counties of Northern Ireland are controlled by the British government - which was the first western nation to sponsor this great evil. Up until now, the Abortion Act did not extend to cover Northern Ireland and abortion clinics here were non-existent. Women from Ireland wishing to procure an abortion were forced to travel abroad - providing a difficult and costly obstacle which helped to save countless lives. Now that this abortion mill has been established here in Belfast, it opens access to abortion for women from the Republic of Ireland also, effectively granting the entire island easy access to the extermination of its own children.

We can only pray that this utterly abhorrent practise will be overturned. That the eyes of the mothers of these children will be opened to the realisation of their actions and recoil from the true horror of what they are about to inflict. I would particularly like to invoke Our Lady of Zeitoun for the protection of these innocent and completely defenceless lives, here, and throughout the world. And in Ireland, I would like to beseech Our Lady of Knock, whose appearances parallel the Zeitoun apparitions in many ways.

Like Our Lady of Zeitoun, the Knock apparitions manifested themselves on a Church building, and were fully visible to all present, yet were not accompanied by a verbal message. The apparitions took place on the gable wall of the Church of St. John the Baptist in the small village of Knock in County Mayo in 1879, where the Virgin Mary appeared along with St. Joseph and St. John the Evangelist - who was seen preaching with a large open book in his hand, beside the image of the Lamb of God on an altar, with a large cross behind Him.



The gable wall of the Church of St. John the Baptist, the location of the apparitions in Knock.



We will delve behind the symbolism of this apparition a little further in the next post, but for now it is worth noting further parallels with the Zeitoun apparitions in the fact that the Holy Family were present (Our Lady and St. Joseph, along with Christ as the Lamb of God), which recalls the flight to Egypt. The figure of St. John, the Beloved Disciple (who authored both the Gospel of John and the Book of Revelation) with an open book beside the Lamb of God appears to point to his vision in the Apocalypse, where the Lamb opens the seven seals of the scroll described in Rev 5 - the same scroll which we are told was given to St. John in Rev 10. Given that the Holy Family were seen in this vision accompanied by the author of the Book of Revelation, this would seem to point us to the scene in the Apocalypse which re-enacts the flight of the Holy Family to Egypt in Rev 12, where we are told that the Woman Adorned with the Sun is pursued by the Red Dragon who wishes to consume her Child; but she is led by God to a place of refuge in the wilderness. So it seems that the apparitions in Knock were in many respects a precursor to the appearances of Our Lady in Egypt.

With these comparisons in mind, I would like to invite readers to pray to Our Lady of Knock to protect the unborn children of Ireland, and to Our Lady of Zeitoun for the souls of the unborn throughout the world who have fallen victim to this holocaust, the greatest of all modern evils.

37 comments:

Jamey said...

The newspaper report I came across said there were 50 protestors outside the clinic. If true it shows how deep the apostasy has contamined once Catholic Ireland.

There was a sad incident in Argentina a few days back where Catholics barricaded the Cathedral from being damaged by pro abort zealots. In the end those protecting the church ended up getting sworn at, spat on, spray painted over, etc. It is really frustrating seeing stuff like that happen to fellow Catholics and makes me thirst for divine justice.

Emmett O'Regan said...

The most recent article states that there were around 150 pro-life protesters outside the clinic.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/belfast-abortion-clinic-attorney-general-calls-for-probe-into-marie-stopes-facility-16226101.html

It's still not enough though. The Church needs to be more proactive in organising the protests here. This clinic needs to be driven out of Ireland.

Jamey said...

To me it seems the sex abuse scandal has made the church very quiet - as though the hierarchy feel they have no right to preach after what has transpired in the past 40 years, to be honest I think most of us Catholics are somewhat confused/disoriented. By undermining the churches credibility the devil now has a strangehold and every perversity and insanity has/will be promoted under the guises of "liberty, choice, expression".

Abby Johnson related an instance in which a younger nun in full habit was in the middle of the driveway praying in front of the clinic. She and other staff were watching and then a young girl left the clinic after an abortion, the nun moved aside to let her through and as the girl was passing her, the nun dropped to her knees and wept so deeply with grief that it shocked and disturbed the entire clinic. The odd occasion I get to the clinic (I don't have the guts to go often) I feel much more secure having a priest there with full collar leading the prayers.

Jamey said...

Has anyone seen actual footage online of the Zeitoun apparition? I haven't been able to locate it, but a young guy from my church went to Zeitoun for a tour and whilst there on video saw Mary walking on the church roof, praying etc.

Emmett O'Regan said...

I've heard of its existence, but haven't been able to find it anywhere online myself. I wasn't aware that the video footage was so detailed. If it's anything like the photographs it would be truly astonishing. Perhaps it hasn't been converted to a digital file yet...

Jamey said...

Given your zeal for research if you didn't find it online I won't bother pursuing it further.

I would like to go to Zeitoun one day.

pml said...

Website: Rev. Father Boutros Gayed (+RIP+) has videos and other documents for viewing. Peace

http://www.zeitun-eg.org/stmaridx.htm

Jamey said...

Thanks pml,

unfortunately I am unable to get appropriate version of media player to launch it.

I did read when the apparitions were occuring that pretty much everyone reported being in a state of paralysis and couldn't lift up their hands to take photos. An exception was one of the better photos where a guy that had a disabled arm from a previous accident became functional picked up a nearby camera and took a snap. Skepdics claim the main photo of our Lady floating in front of the church is a hoax - they have to, to maintain their faith.

A difficulty of the apparition is why only at night? Perhaps there is a message where we are at in salvation history (near midnight). Or taking Padre Pio's following statement and applying it to collective humanity "Stay with me, Lord, for it is getting late: the day is ending, life is passing; death, judgment, eternity are coming soon."

Saw it on another site that Mary appeared pregnant in Guadalupe, whilst in Fatima and Zeitoun was holding child Jesus. A sequence there with Mary preparing our Lord's second coming as Emmett raised in a previous entry.

Unknown said...

Helooo,
Have any body here learn about history lessons?Instead of connecting The Lady of Zeitoun to a totally diffrent issue ( abortion,really?)Please Learn Middle Eastern History before writing an article,folks!!
Its about Israel!!
One year before ,on 1967 ,Israel was attacked by virtually all of its Arab neighbours.And Israel survived (because of God"s grace).The war was later dubbed The Six Day War.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

And two year exactly after the visons stop on 1971.On 1973 Israel was once again attacked in a war that was dubbed The Yom Kippur War.Again Israel Survived.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

So why the apparitions show in Egypt?
1. Egypt is home to the the largest Christian church in the Middle East.Its a warning to Christian there that persecutions are coming to them and you see its true that in the coming years more and more Coptic Christians are persecuted in Egypt even today.

2. Egypt is one of the key nations that attacked Israel in the last 2 Arab- Israel war.Its also the first and only Arab/Muslim nation that made peace with Israel during the Camp David.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt%E2%80%93Israel_Peace_Treaty

A Treaty that is recently breach, thanks to "Arab Spring" and the election of Muslim Brotherhood's candidate Mohamed Morsi as Egypt's PM.http://www.worldnewstribune.com/2012/08/19/egypt-moves-troops-sams-to-israels-border-contrary-to-terms-of-peace-treaty/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood

Also Egypt is the birthplace of Muslim Brotherhood,one of the most radical anti Jewish and anti Christian organisation with the goal to establish a Pan Islamic Caliphate in the Middle East and ultimately the world.

So its Important for God to show His Glory and Warning in Egypt but unfortunately many people either ignore it or got it wrong,like you guys.

Unknown said...

Sorry Double posting.

Unknown said...

You guys should look at this man statement and endtimes prophecies about Islam.Its an eye opener:

http://www.shoebat.com/

Jamey said...

Like your style Marc but think you are wrong or at least only partially right. Do you realise the gravity of abortion? Did you also notice the connection between the original escape by the Holy Family to Egypt due to the slaughter of the Holy Innocents and the Zeitoun apparition when abortion was first being legalised in Western countries.

If you look at salvation history there are many parallels and much recapitulation and this is a classic example. Given the evil of legalising the murder of unborn children and the scale it is being practised it follows that there could easily be a great chastisement permitted by heaven in the form of a nuclear war - so there could well be a connection between what you are touching upon and Emmett is saying. To quote Ned Dougherty again "Every civilisation that destroys its young are eventually destroyed themselves."

Jamey said...

Interesting, the new Perth bishop made the comment which was the headline in The West Australian that the church and its voice has very little credibility in the world today on the major issues such as abortion due to the sex abuse crisis that blew up a decade ago - just after it was raised in the comments on this post. Bp Tim do you read Emmett's blog?

Anyhow there was a segment on tv today with maverick priest Fr Bob McGuire discussing this and he made what I thought a very pertinent comment - rather than bishops wearing ornate vestments and mitres they should be donning ashes and sackcloth as a sign of sorrow and recognition to the victims, and I believe an example to other Catholics to perform penance for a sinful world about to be destroyed. A bit out there but I think would be useful.

Unknown said...

Again,I know how horrible abortion are and to look at the abortion issue without concerning where Judaism stand on abortion is like arguing about something important without looking at the context of the case itself.
For many Christians and Catholics ( western and white - I'm no racist but I'm just stating the facts ) abortion issues is a huge problem because its break the "no murder" commandment.But you guys forget that in Judaism ,hails A WOMAN'S LIFE in high regard and because of that the issues of abortion is not about the fetus but about A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO HAVE REPRODUCTIVE CONTROL over her own uterus.
So please ...please stop pushing these pro LIfe agenda without consulting a woman first.If she doesnt want an abortion so be it.If she do want an abortion ,she should consult first with her priest/pastor/rabbi,but they can advise her only, the decicion is still in her hands.
And you have nothing to worry ,in the USA latest polls says many women are now more pro Life than ever.
And I have no problem with that ,I'm a guy,we men doesnt have much to say in these matter.
What we can do is to provide a SAFE and LEGAL ABORTION and EDUCATION so ABORTION SHOULD BE RARE.SAFE,LEGAL AND RARE.
AND ALSO WE MEN MUST CONTROL OUR SEX DRIVE,OK?
WHO GOT WOMEN PREGNANT IN THE FIRST PLACE ANYWAY?SATAN?SADDAM THE ZOMBIE?NO>>>IT IS US MEN.

SO there you have it,again dont use examples like the Herod baby killings.Its out of context.

We Christians and Catholics have better things to do than arguing for something that is already clear as a day.

Jamey said...

Pro-choice Judaism? Which branch of Judaism Marco? That sounds like a radical apostate form of Judaism if it espouses a mothers right to kill her own child under the monikers of "choice", "reproductive healthcare".

Fetus? This is where the apostasy starts - as Bishop Fulton Sheen says "who in history has ever heard of a mother carrying a fetus it is always mother with a child".

The "fetus" is not HER BODY because it is housed there, it is a distinct human being ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you" Jer 1:5).

"And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the baby leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit" Luke 1:41. Notice the term baby used by Luke who was a physician, and not "product of conception" or "fetus".

Central is we are dealing with an actual human being in the womb all other arguments are superfluous.

Emmett O'Regan said...

The taking of an innocent life, purely for personal self interests, is one of the greatest evils that can be committed.
Catholic teaching on abortion is quite clear, as the Catechism outlines below:

Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.72


Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.73
My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth.74

2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:


You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.75
God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.76

2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,"77 "by the very commission of the offense,"78 and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.79 The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.

2273 The inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of a civil society and its legislation:

"The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority. These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin. Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being's right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death."80

"The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined. . . . As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child's rights."

Jamey said...

Very disturbing in regard to the disabled woman who may be forced to abort:

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-nevada-supreme-court-intervenes-in-possible-forced-abortion-case

Jamey said...

An excerpt from Michael Voris' latest clip in regard to the US election and the eschatological implications:

"Romney SHOULD win by every measure there is but we have to consider that as St.Paul says we are not fighting a temporal war, but a spiritual one – against principalities and powers.

People supporting Obama are not supporting him because of his sterling economic policies they are supporting him because of his ideological stances as was made
abundantly evident during the Democratic Convention when one child murdering supporter and sodomy supporter after another walked up to the podium and hailed this man.

We do not know how this will turn out but we do know this IF Obama wins and the pace of social and cultural destruction quickens which it most certainly will none of it will be happening without God in Heaven allowing it.

Obama winning may in fact be His judgment on a wicked and perverse generation not OUR judgment on who is best to occupy the White House.
GOD Love You I’m Michael Voris"

http://www.churchmilitant.tv/daily/?today=2012-11-05

Unknown said...

As to be clear I accept Judaism's explaination and debates on abortion matter.Because they offer more plausible scientific/medical reasoning than those debates that are forwarded by most Christians and Catholics.

Becasue its very long to explain all sides of the abortion issues in Judaism, I give you a link from BBC wich contain the shortest explaination available on the net:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/judaism/jewishethics/abortion_1.shtml

Please read them all before commenting,OK?

If Christians and Catholics can give these kind of reasoning to the Liberal masses, I'm sure most of them would agree.

Jamey said...

Thanks for the link Marco.

Why is the unborn baby not considered a person or "fully fledged human being" especially in light of Jer 1:5? Why especially not before 40 days? It seems somewhat arbitrary to me, I suspect it is based on physical size, form and not being seen.

A local abortionist said that the fetus is essentially very small and this was his justification for what he does. So because someone is 2 metres tall does that make them more of a person than someone shorter and especially compared to a midget or a dwarf?

I personally think another proof of the fetus being a person is the impact abortion has on a womans psyche - for example people in the deliverance field have reported women who have been through abortion as having a "black womb" and often as the exorcism proceeds some real darkness and chaos is encountered.

Based on studies on 500,000 women in Finland those who abort are 6 times more likely to suicide - there is a reason for that and it is not that it has removed the potential for life ala contraception but actually involves killing of an innocent and defenseless person. The law of God is written on man (and woman's) heart.

The liberal masses generally seem ruled by a spirit of pride and rebellion so they don't like any ultimate and authoritarian claims especially when it impacts their lifestyle.

There does seem to be quite a bit of variation in Judaism and in modern times is in a sense like Protestantism with no ultimate authority unlike the papacy and involves most people picking and choosing according to their personal preference.

I suppose at least with Judaism it holds the fetus in high regard but I don't think it is the fullness of truth and ultimately my conviction comes down to the claims of who the Roman Catholic Church is.

I am curious and not having a dig Marco, are you a Jew for Jesus?

God Bless.

Jamey said...

Marco in regard to the explanation from exodus 21:22 that the fetus isn't a person conservative Christianity doesn't believe we are dealing with a miscaried or dead child in that instance, but merely prematurely born:

http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5700

Jamey said...

Outcome of the US election = clockwork

Voris was spot on.

Would expect the new Herod to now remove the gloves that he has been permitted a second term. The church in the US will be crucified.

Who will be the men and women that God will raise up in these times of woe.

Unknown said...

I'm a Christian of Jewish descent and yes, I believe in Jesus Christ and the God our Father.I consider myself as a Liberal Right in the same spirit as the Old Liberals has of the 50's and early 60's.Not those hippies today that called themselves Liberal.I dont agree with the Left and I hate Communism and its varian Socialism.
I'm pro Reason and pro Science.I believe Science can sthrengten Religion.I'm Also a strong supporter for Israel.

Unknown said...

Here is a link containing one of the argument about Islam and the Antichrist:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Walid/gog.htm

This is but one link but there are countless link on the Internet that argues Islam IS THE ANTICHRIST.This link is the shortest one.

Please read it.The west and the Christian world need to wake up,especially now with Obama winning and his Leftist & pro Islam Agenda are being push across the Middle east.

Endtime Prophecy Lecture with Walid Shoebat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD_N9t2j9jg

Links to consider:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
http://pamelageller.com/

Please Rescue Christians :

http://www.rescuechristians.org/

Unknown said...

Walid Shoebat argument is valid because The Bible Prophecies are written by Middle Eastren mindset ( Jewish perpectives ).Especially Daniel.

So,its a good thing to have this cause there are too many holes when come to the theory that the AntiChrist is of European-American.

And believe me ,there many Crazy Christians outthere that believe that the Holy See / Vatican is the Harlot of Babylon.Wich is ofcourse wrong on so many levels.
The harlot is clearly refered to a city sorrounded by a desert and a sea,and nations would be drunk by her,there is only one city that fits these that is Mecca in Saudi Arabia.Indeed all the nations are drunk with the oil of Saudi Arabia.

Unknown said...

I'm also glad that the current Pope is pro Israel and very openly critical about Islam.The sad news is there are also some circles in the Vatican that pressures the Pope so He would support Palestine instead of Israel.Their beef with Israel is mainly about the protection of Christian Holy Sites and Protection of Christian Faith from Ultra Orthodox Jews who's spreading anti- Christian acts and teaching.

But the the hatred of these Ultra Orthodox Jews can be explained by Vatican's odd support toward Palestine .While the Pope is a Pro Israel ( and a very strong supporter ), the bishops and archbishopsaround him is another matter.These dual support ,is giving an image of unfriendliness and indecisiveness when settling for the peace process.It spark a hatred toward Christianity in an already hostile-toward Chrisians enviroment of Ultra Orthodox Jews.To add insult to injury,the Palestinians and the Muslims are actively lobbying Vatican and Italy to support their cause.Islam really are really trying to deceive Christians/Catholics to divide them on their support of Israel.I do hope the Holy See doesnt fell to this Islamic trap.

Anonymous said...

Emmett,
Still checking for your next post. We're all in a malaise in the States after the election...that is, those who are practicing catholics. I think the storm on the east coast was a little warning of what is to come. I'm not so sure that the mega tsunama isn't far off. I heard or read somewhere that Lucia was told that communism would spread all over the earth...even to America. And now I believe it. Very Sad.
Rose

Emmett O'Regan said...

Thanks Marco,

I'm glad that you haven't fell into the trap of identifying Roman Catholicism with the whore of Babylon. The politics of the Middle East is a very delicate matter, and the Church heirarchy is wisely adhering to diplomatic protocol ("Blessed be the peacemakers" Matt 5:9). There have been some grave injustices perpetrated against the Palestinian people (many of whom are Christian), which the Catholic Church has openly condemned. The Church backs the two state solution.
I think it is a bit sweeping (and a tad xenophobic) to label the whole of Islam as the Antichrist. There are just as many good and bad Muslims as there are good and bad Christians. I think it is wrong to argue that the religion of Islam iself is intrinsicly evil. It may be devoid of Divine commission, and errs from the path of Truth, but there are many things worth admiring about the devotion of Muslims (such as their worship of the One True God, their origins in the Abrahamic faith, their esteem for Jesus as the Messiah, and the belief in the Virgin Birth, as well as their reverence for Mary). I think there is a danger here of demonising Muslims in the same way Jews were demonised by the Nazi party in Germany.

Hi Rose,

I'm nearly finished my next post. I've been delayed by some family problems which have taken up a lot of my free time lately.
As you say, the devastation wrought along the East Coast does appear to be a foretaste of the judgement still to come. Let's just pray that enough time will be given to allow all of the sheep to be brought into the fold first.

Thanks Hannah!

Unknown said...

For those Interested in the Abortion debate ,here is a nice neutral Bioethics view on that matter.I know that io9 blog is a science and fantasy geek/nerd blog,but they sometimes have nice articles.

The link:

http://io9.com/5957788/why-is-the-us-still-hung-up-the-abortion-debate


Remember IT IS NEUTRAL and only rely on Scientific fact and Bioethics perspective.It has good arguments and great reasoning that should be held as an example when all of you Pro lifer try to talk and start a healthy productive conversation with the Pro choice masses.

Please read it first with an open mind before burning me at the stake. :)

HINT: Its all about Personhood.

Unknown said...

@Emmet O'Regan

I think you misunderstood me by a longshot.
Israel IS NOT for Sale and Not for Dividing.Nowhere in the Bible said its OK to divide Israel.And for your information The Pope ( and any Pope ) NEVER backed the Two State solution.
There is a diffrence between Islam and Muslims.Islam (it means submisson )is not a religion as many people led to believe,it is a supremacist ideology based of Fascism and Socialism.Its a set of rules and law on how to live for the Glory of Allah.The laws of Islam is the Sharia Law.
Muslims are the people that submit themselves to these set of laws hence the name Islam= Submission.
The god of Islam ( Allah ) is not the same God of Israel.Their One true God is a variant of the Moon God Illat and Bel( Ba'al ) that was worship by the people of ancient Arabia and the Middle east.
In fact Islam is a amalgam of the pagan worship of the Moon God and Arian Heresy.
Did you even check my links before commenting.Everything that I wrote is known to seroius biblical scholars and is widely available on the Internet.

Me?Xenophobic? Did you even read the Qu'ran and the Hadits? Its clearly states there ( especially in the Medina chapters ) that Jews, Christians and others are below Islam and its a duty of every devout Muslim to kill these Infidels.
Did you know that many Palestinian Christians has either to convert to Islam or leave Paletinian territory to settle elsewhere for fear of persecution.The Palestinian Movement is now 100% Islam.Just look at Bethlehem today,under Hamas,its almost 99% Islam.
Danger of demonising Muslims as the same way the Jews was by The Nazi?
Umm,Wait,Should I be offended or confused by your remark? ( you know that I'm of jewish descent )
Islam is the most anti-semite ideology the world has ever seen,Islam came first and Nazism are second.
AND THEY REJECT THE IDEA OF TRINITY AND BLANTANTLY REFUSED JESUS AS CHRIST.Saying that the Bible and Torah are corrupted.
Although Jews dont acknowledge Jesus as Messiah but Jews still show respect to him as a great Rabbi.You almost never heard of Churches being violated by Jews or massacre of a whole people by Jews.
Islam put Jesus as just another human prophet waaaay below their prophet Muhammad.In Islamic nations there are many crazy rules like Churches cannot be taller than a mosque.In Islam people of the Cross are dogs and Jews are pigs,go ahead read it in the Qu'ran and Hadiths and other Islamic sources,its there.
Did you not hear what those "peaceful and good" Muslims have been saying during demonstrations and behind your back in Arabic and other non European langage?
They want to destroy Israel and submit the west to Sharia law.Did you know that two of the many SS divisions were Muslims divisions?Did you also know that Mein Kampf is one of the most readable book in the Muslim world?
Did you know the Grand mufti of Jeruslaem,Amin Al Husseini was an ardent supporter of Hitler?
Here :

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/muftihit.html

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_SS_Mountain_Division_Handschar_(1st_Croatian)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23rd_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Kama



Don't tell me that I'm Xenophobic.I live in a country with greatest Muslim population on Earth,where the Christians are a minority,so I know what I'm talking about.Did you know that they worship a meteorite inside the Kaaba called the Black Rock?

Of course there are good and peaceful muslims but they are good and peaceful beacuse they are either ignorant of what the Qu'ran said or doesnt understand.

Look I'm againts Islam but not againts Muslims.They dont understand that they have been deceived for the last 14 centuries by the Devil.And its up to us Christians and Catholics to show the error of their way.

Jamey said...

Marco, I am preparing the stake as we speak :-)

Dr Bernard Nathanson said whenever you hear the term personhood watch out, that means there will be the denial of that concept for a particular group of human beings.

In that article the author focuses that only scientific arguments should be used in the abortion debate without "religious superstition". Science alone is woefully inadequate for describing the value and essence of a human being - eg defining the person by chromosomes. The goalposts can move so easily in that instance and the parameters arbitrary. Ultimately there can be no healthy secularism in a fallen world where Satan will only be too quick to pull the strings.

I agree with that authors view of the absurdity of the notion of the "time of viability" - ie a fetus is human when it can survive outside the womb as this can change depending on technology at the time and hence the notion of the "human being" changes depending on available technology.

I believe religious people have to fight on their own terms (ie fight against abortion because of the existance of the soul and the infinite value of being a creature of God) and not go on science alone even if it means ridicule. Granted it is difficult engaging secularists/atheists as both parties are coming from totally divergent viewpoints and as that author noted talk straight past one another. Being Catholic prolifer for example means that ultimately we have to debate the proofs of God, who the Catholic Church really is and our interpretation of the Holy Bible - ultimately everything comes back to these central tenets.

Marco check out Bernard Nathanson's dvds on youtube - Eclipse of Reason, and The Silent Scream.

Looking forward to your next post Emmett.

Jamey said...

Something I have noticed recently and highlighted by Voris in the following clip - many in the pro abort crowd now admitting the fetus is human but try stopping them now:

http://www.churchmilitant.tv/daily/?today=2013-01-25

Emmett O'Regan said...

Thanks for that Jamey...
It is deeply upsetting that these people continue to perpetrate this crime against humanity, and indeed against God Himself. The fact that they are not even trying to pretend that the unborn child is not a human life anymore makes it all the more angering.

Jamey said...

It seems the gloves are off, they now have enough ascendancy to reveal their bluff. The courts, governments, media and most of the wealthy are in their court. Fortunately we have God in ours.

Came across this prayer:
"Lord, may all innocent victims of murder, especially abortion, be in your arms today."

Anonymous said...

All this gay stuff comes from WHORING heavy drugs and sex outside of marriage, when that happens people receive evil spirits. If you go out as a young person to bars looking for the opposite sex and wind up in the sack with someone involved with bi-sexuality or someone involved with the occult, and you didn’t know it …u received a evil backwards spirit.

Many people in this generation have evil spirits and (don’t know it) that includes straight people..because of whoring and very few have repented. Others are polluted with evil spirits and r possessed and sleep around everywhere infesting more people…inside of those who r possessed, “{gay)”,many many r waiting to be freed from the grip of satan because they r possessed and there is nothing they can do about it, unless someone prays for them. Which very few do, because for whatever reason, no one seems to understand.

At the same time many gay people who r possessed, secretly get involved with churches not telling people they r gay and end up wearing holy e tire….telling the people to except the gay life style, blah blah blah and because so many people have very little faith, they will except whatever they r told to keep peace and for the good of humanity….which is a pile of crap!

This is a current list of accused priests http://bishop-accountability.org the number of accused priests is beyond staggering!

Many other churches have the same problem…a good church is far and wide between in this generation.

If u were to look back in history, there was alot of gays in the early 1900′s and gay movies at theaters. In 1917 The Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to children in a place called Fatima. She gave a warning that if people don’t repent God the Father will punish us by a world WAR…that happened, not just once but twice. When the wars was over, in the 40′s and 50′s was the cleanest time with many living with good morals. Divorce was taboo, the movies were clean and decent and people like my mom did not even know what a lesbian was until the 60′s.

In the 60′s young people rebelled…heavy drugs, dirty feet and dirty bodies and hair…open sex ,orgies and whatever. The singer Cher was a part of that and tried a lesbian thing that she realized was not for her….the point is, she tried it! and got cursed for it, just look at her daughter or son…whatever this person is? that goes with many many others…it started back in the 60′s and many r cursed by it. There is even prophecy that the pope at that time stated “the smoke of satan has entered the church.

Anonymous said...

Here’s something off the wall. The Lord has different ways of showing people stuff, if they r receptive. The rock star Alice Cooper was the first man to have a woman’s name .We all know how he flaunted sick images of all kinds in everyone’s face. Alice Cooper comes from a very strong long line of ordained Baptist Ministers and other preachers in his family. His father was a ordained Baptist Minister and the woman AC married, her father is also a ordained Baptist Minister.

When he first came out IN 1968 0R 69 the majority of people hated his guts BIGTIME!…In LA people would buy tickets just to walk out….even when they came to see Jim Morrison and the Doors…they cleared the building empty when Alice Cooper took stage before the Doors.

Within ten yrs after Alice Cooper …gay bars flourished in all major cities…men dressed like women and women dress like men…Everything u see when u look at Alice Cooper is what this generation is all about…total darkness. What people use to hate is now excepted as a normal thing. When AC chopped babies to pieces in front of the world…they didn’t realize, it’s about them and the onslaught of abortions everywhere!…instead, they would point the finger at AC and say your sick! when it’s really the whole generation that is sick.

AC has never, ever, whored around, never divorced, and he’s not covered in tatoo’s like everyone he is surrounded by.

There is more to this, The Blessed Virgin has appeared everywhere around the world…VERY FEW LISTEN….There is a Great Warning coming to everyone…After the Warning, many will flock back to church not realizing many of the churches r sick. Soon, after the Warning, the ANTI CHRIST will come out as a man of peace and per sway the people that gay is ok, and preachers the current pope and governments political people and many by the multitudes will agree with this anti christ…until he shows his full colors.

When he shows his full colors, persecution of Christians will be alarming…..the same thing that everyone has seen at a Alice cooper concert…the hangings guillotines, electrocutions will happen in real life to many Christians and to those who will not take the mark of the beast…which will be a computer chip on the hand or forehead..

It’s true…The Second Coming of Christ is right above us. It’s going to happen in our life time…once the Warning, then the anti christ for approx 3 and a half yrs…then The Second Coming.

Only Catholic prophets r calling out about the Warning in the Christian world..all other Christians from different denominations….r putting flames to it because it comes from the Virgin Mary and only a few listen to her when she appears with messages for the whole world. Even many many Catholics today r against these messages of The Warning and Second Coming of Jesus.

Because a whole pile of them, r queer.

In Jesus Name, Thy Will Be Done, Amen and Amen (*)

Anonymous said...

Much of what you say is true and our Lady has warned us that evil has consequences, sin that is not erased by contrition. And Our Lady has warned us that only sins that we are sorry for are forgiven. When things are acceptable, we often do not seek forgiveness. God wants all to be saved, if only even one repents as the lost sheep. Let us grieve and pray for them. Remember that after the Resurrection, Christ appeared first of all to Mary Magdalen, out of whom He had cast seven devils. And you criticize/condemn our present Pope who is God's chosen for this era It is he who will be persecuted by the anti-Christ and forced to flee Rome. While he, the true Pope, is still living a false pope will be elected to replace him. This is the real Anti-christ and the greatest division will result. Yet the lamb which has the voice of a dragon has two horns: A king/leader...and it is not Trump!

Sister Jean Marie Kirby, OCD